Language learning: How to speak Toki Pona, translation problems, advice, memory aids, tools and methods to learn Toki Pona and other languages faster
Lingva lernado: Kiel paroli Tokiponon, tradukproblemoj, konsiloj, memoraj helpiloj, iloj kaj metodoj por pli rapide lerni Tokiponon kaj aliajn lingvojn
jan Seloki wrote:I personally use a system somebody else came up with derived from Esperanto numbers
1 wan
2 tu
3 sili (tri)
4 kuala (kvar)
5 kuin (kvin)
6 sese (ses)
7 sepe (sep)
8 oku (ok)
9 nawo (naŭ - pronounced like 'now')
10 teke (dek)
11 teke wan
12 teke tu
20 tu teke (dudek)
Few things:
a) all of them are from a single language (and that language is a bad IAL to boot)
b) kuala, kuin and nawo all break toki pona's phonotactic rules. (syllables with only a vowel can only appear as the first syllable of a word, and 'wo' is not allowed at all.)
jan Seloki wrote:I personally use a system somebody else came up with derived from Esperanto numbers
1 wan
2 tu
3 sili (tri)
4 kuala (kvar)
5 kuin (kvin)
6 sese (ses)
7 sepe (sep)
8 oku (ok)
9 nawo (naŭ - pronounced like 'now')
10 teke (dek)
11 teke wan
12 teke tu
20 tu teke (dudek)
Few things:
a) all of them are from a single language (and that language is a bad IAL to boot)
b) kuala, kuin and nawo all break toki pona's phonotactic rules. (syllables with only a vowel can only appear as the first syllable of a word, and 'wo' is not allowed at all.)
You're right about kuala, kuin, & nawo although I don't know if there is any practical purpose, or just Sonja's choice. I don't see any reason it really would hurt, at least with the first rule. As for Esperanto being a bad IAL, I disagree, although that's not even a relevant argument against using it for this anyway. If people don't like this script, they can always suggest another one. The idea that having a proper number system goes against toki pona being minimalist is simply stupid.
jan Seloki wrote:I personally use a system somebody else came up with derived from Esperanto numbers
1 wan
2 tu
3 sili (tri)
4 kuala (kvar)
5 kuin (kvin)
6 sese (ses)
7 sepe (sep)
8 oku (ok)
9 nawo (naŭ - pronounced like 'now')
10 teke (dek)
11 teke wan
12 teke tu
20 tu teke (dudek)
Few things:
a) all of them are from a single language (and that language is a bad IAL to boot)
b) kuala, kuin and nawo all break toki pona's phonotactic rules. (syllables with only a vowel can only appear as the first syllable of a word, and 'wo' is not allowed at all.)
You're right about kuala, kuin, & nawo although I don't know if there is any practical purpose, or just Sonja's choice. I don't see any reason it really would hurt, at least with the first rule. As for Esperanto being a bad IAL, I disagree, although that's not even a relevant argument against using it for this anyway. If people don't like this script, they can always suggest another one. The idea that having a proper number system goes against toki pona being minimalist is simply stupid.
i agree about proper number systems being good, but i don't think new words are necessary at all
how about this:
numbers work like they do in the wan tu luka mute system
wan 1
tu 2
luka 5
mute 20
kulupu 100
noka 500
pali 1 000
69 is mute mute mute luka tu tu
420 is kulupu kulupu kulupu kulupu mute
666 is noka kulupu mute mute mute luka wan
jan Jojanese wrote:
Toki Pona is not an IAL. If it was European-based, it would be horribly boring and generic.
Sorry, I was talking about the numeration system and not about the nature of the language itself, but upon re-reading my previous message, it is far from being clear. Once again, sorry!