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A question about "pi"

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A question about "pi"

Postby Jose » Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:28 pm

Toki!

I'm not sure how to use pi, perhaps someone can help me. Here's what my problem is:

bar = tomo pi telo nasa

your bar = ? (tomo sina pi telo nasa maybe?)

Also, for clarification:

tomo pi telo nasa pi laso jelo = a green bar? (not a bar serving green drinks (absinthe, I guess.))

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Re: A question about "pi"

Postby janKipo » Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:07 pm

'pi' introduces a modifier of more than one word, as opposed to the basic case that introduces modifiers one word at a time. So in 'tomo pi telo nasa', the modifier is 'telo nasa' "alcohol" as a whole, not just 'telo' then 'nasa' as in 'tomo telo nasa' "strange bathroom" ('tomo telo' means "bathroom")
Now, that compound word can be modified further, so you can talk about your bar 'tomo pi telo nasa, sina'. In this case, the comma is there to show that a new modifier has been added to a phrases that ends in a 'pi' modifier. Otherwise, the 'sina' would attach to 'telo nasa' for 'tomo pi teli nasa sina' "house of your alcohol", maybe a distillery-owned bar, say. Alternatively (and generally clearer), these later modifiers are moved up ahead of their proper place at the end to go before the 'pi' strings, so 'tomo sina pi telo nasa' for "your bar" again. (The commas and the move forward are not exactly official, but if you don't do them you make for ever muddier phrases.)

'tomo pi telo nasa pi laso jelo' is, without comma, a house of green alcohol, absinthe or Chartreuse of creme de menthe or something equally sickening. With a comma, it is a green bar, presumably one painted green (fern bars would be 'tomo pi telo nasa, kasi' or 'tomo kasi pi telo nasa' -- I've never seen a case). I suppose that a green colored bar might also be 'tomo pi laso jelo, pi telo nasa'

Hope that helps rather than confusing things further.

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Re: A question about "pi"

Postby janTepanNetaPelin » Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:04 pm

https://github.com/stefichjo/toki-pona (mi sitelen e lipu ni pi toki pona)
mi jan Tepan. mi pu. mi weka e jan nasa Kipo e jan nasa Lope.

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Re: A question about "pi"

Postby Jose » Sun Oct 30, 2016 1:58 pm

pona! Thank you very much, I think I've got it. :)

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Re: A question about "pi"

Postby janKipo » Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:53 pm

About Tepan's comments
1. Ignore the official definition, since it doesn't cover most cases, 'jan pi pona mute' for example (the second art is and adjective phrase, not a noun)
2 absinthe is 'telo nasa pi laso jelo' (and similarly for a green bar), otherwise you get a blue liquor that is yellow, which may be green but doesn't seem to be. in 'telo nasa laso jelo', 'laso' modifies 'telo nasa', "blue liquor" and then 'jelo' modifies that, so a yellow colored blue liquor. What you want is a yellowish blue liquor, where 'jelo' modifies 'laso' and that means the two form a unit to attach to 'teli laso' -- and so they are set off by 'pi'.

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Re: A question about "pi"

Postby janpona120 » Sat Nov 05, 2016 6:35 am


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Re: A question about "pi"

Postby janKipo » Sat Nov 05, 2016 11:29 am

No, the reactionaries are just weakening (they can't even make their case with a straight face).
"enough" is 'mute pona', not 'pona mute'.

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Re: A question about "pi"

Postby janTepanNetaPelin » Sun Nov 06, 2016 2:47 pm

https://github.com/stefichjo/toki-pona (mi sitelen e lipu ni pi toki pona)
mi jan Tepan. mi pu. mi weka e jan nasa Kipo e jan nasa Lope.


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