What sources do you all consider to be "canon"?

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What sources do you all consider to be "canon"?

Postby janMato » Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:40 pm

Official Sources.
We've got incomplete versions of the tokipona.org site in the Wayback machine since Feb 2002.
We've got the 2009 wiki version, which I think is a public work in progress as of Dec 2009.

Canon by Community Repute: Wikipedia, As much of an authority as it is for anything on Wikipedia
We've got 100s of versions of the wikipedia article since April 2002 and todays version. Today's version can change at any moment and the result will depend on the people who care enough to edit.

Canon by Community Repute: First among equal fan sites
Jan Pije's lessons.

Canon by Data: Attested usages
Attested usage is the various attempts to use the language. If no one has used a particular phrase (or uses it rarely), then it might be wrong. If it has been used over a long period of time, then it might be right. Its the difference between de jure and de facto law.

Canon by Data: Opinion of "fluent" speakers
Its probably an uncontroversial fact that there are fluent Russian and English speakers, who they are and that if asked these speakers can say if a sentence is valid Russian or English. We probably could argue over who is fluent, or if their opinion counts. It might be a while before we can check grammaticality and get consensus from such a survey.

Am I missing any sources of canon, or failing that, techniques for answering, "What is toki pona and what is not toki pona?"

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Re: What sources do you all consider to be "canon"?

Postby janKipo » Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:04 pm

Well, the best bets are the collections of stuff from the old archives, together with the stuff from tokilili and kulupu pi toki pona and the handful of websites which one or another person has maintained for a time in tp. I don't suppose that the list of these is complete or up to date and the garnering of material from some of these sites is also running a bit behind (nothing new for several months now) but collectively they constitute a corpus of purported tp usage. Some of it is to be rejected out of hand, since it contains, for example, unauthorized words or constructions clearly against the rules . Others are out because they have been universally rejected. Others because they just don't make sense as they stand. The rest are presumably good but all open to revision for both form and content. Ultimately, of course, the decision is jan Sonja's -- for the time being, at least. There are not a lot of tough cases left, incidentally, but writing up the final report remains to be done.

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Re: What sources do you all consider to be "canon"?

Postby janMato » Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:18 pm

Here is my page with every site or page on the internet with toki pona language ~ 110 sites.

http://www.suburbandestiny.com/?p=639

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Re: What sources do you all consider to be "canon"?

Postby janKipo » Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:49 pm

pona a!


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