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lordcaml

toki ni li meli lili pi toki pona

Postby lordcaml » Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:03 pm


tenpo suno tu la mi kama lukin e toki "Pon Wen." ona li kama tan toki pona. taso
ona li jo e nimi mute. mi pilin e ni: ona li pona tawa sina. mi toki e toki pona
kin. taso toki ante ni li pona kin.

http://www.freewebs.com/bonwen/


Tyler Eldredge

RE: toki ni li meli lili pi toki pona

Postby Tyler Eldredge » Mon May 04, 2009 12:21 pm


pona! mi olin e toki Pon Wen, taso mi pilin e ni: toki pona li ike e toki insa.

mi pilin e Epelanto anu Polapuki li toki insa pona. (mi wile toki "I think
esperanto or volapük are good world languages")

-Tyler



To: tokipona@yahoogroups.com
From: lordcaml@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:03:00 +0000
Subject: [tokipona] toki ni li meli lili pi toki pona


























tenpo suno tu la mi kama lukin e toki "Pon Wen." ona li kama tan toki
pona. taso ona li jo e nimi mute. mi pilin e ni: ona li pona tawa sina. mi toki
e toki pona kin. taso toki ante ni li pona kin.



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John E Clifford

Re: toki ni li meli lili pi toki pona

Postby John E Clifford » Mon May 04, 2009 2:01 pm


ken la "toki Pon Wen li pona tawa mi" ( nimi 'olin' li wawa mute) tan nasin seme
la toki insa li kama ike tan toki pona? "mi wile toki e kulupu "I
think...languages"" "mi pilin e ni: Epelanto anu Wolapuki (anu 'Wolapiki') li
toki pona pi ma ali" sona a! "toki pona li ike tawa toki pi ma ali" kulupu
"toki insa" li sona e toki Inli "soliloquy" "anu "subvocal discussion" anu ante.
pona la jan ala li wile e ni: toki pona li toki pi ma ali. toki pona li toki pi
ma lili.




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From: Tyler Eldredge <i_love_eire@hotmail.com>
To: tokipona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2009 11:21:51 AM
Subject: RE: [tokipona] toki ni li meli lili pi toki pona






pona! mi olin e toki Pon Wen, taso mi pilin e ni: toki pona li ike e toki insa.

mi pilin e Epelanto anu Polapuki li toki insa pona. (mi wile toki "I think
esperanto or volapük are good world languages")

-Tyler

To: tokipona@yahoogroup s.com
From: lordcaml@yahoo. com
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:03:00 +0000
Subject: [tokipona] toki ni li meli lili pi toki pona

tenpo suno tu la mi kama lukin e toki "Pon Wen." ona li kama tan toki pona. taso
ona li jo e nimi mute. mi pilin e ni: ona li pona tawa sina. mi toki e toki pona
kin. taso toki ante ni li pona kin.

http://www.freewebs.com/bonwen/










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Kevyn

Re: toki ni li meli lili pi toki pona

Postby Kevyn » Tue May 05, 2009 1:31 am


mi pilin mute e ni: nimi Polapuki anu Olapuki li pona tan ni: kalama 'wo' li ike
tawa toki pona.
 
toki 'pona la' li ike mute mute tawa mi a! mi sona ala e nasin ona lon lipu pi
jan Pije.
 
'jan ala' li ike tawa toki pona. mi pilin mute e ni: jan Pije lon lipu ona li
toki e ni: sina wile toki pi 'neniu/nobody' la ona li ken toki e 'ala.'
 
No one can know Krishna.
ala li ken sona lon (about, on, when dealing with a topic) jan sewi suli Kisina.




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From: John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>
To: tokipona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2009 11:01:46 AM
Subject: Re: [tokipona] toki ni li meli lili pi toki pona





ken la "toki Pon Wen li pona tawa mi" ( nimi 'olin' li wawa mute) tan nasin seme
la toki insa li kama ike tan toki pona? "mi wile toki e kulupu "I
think...languages" " "mi pilin e ni: Epelanto anu Wolapuki (anu 'Wolapiki') li
toki pona pi ma ali" sona a! "toki pona li ike tawa toki pi ma ali" kulupu "toki
insa" li sona e toki Inli "soliloquy" "anu "subvocal discussion" anu ante. pona
la jan ala li wile e ni: toki pona li toki pi ma ali. toki pona li toki pi ma
lili.

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From: Tyler Eldredge <i_love_eire@ hotmail.com>
To: tokipona@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2009 11:21:51 AM
Subject: RE: [tokipona] toki ni li meli lili pi toki pona

pona! mi olin e toki Pon Wen, taso mi pilin e ni: toki pona li ike e toki insa.

mi pilin e Epelanto anu Polapuki li toki insa pona. (mi wile toki "I think
esperanto or volapük are good world languages")

-Tyler

To: tokipona@yahoogroup s.com
From: lordcaml@yahoo. com
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:03:00 +0000
Subject: [tokipona] toki ni li meli lili pi toki pona

tenpo suno tu la mi kama lukin e toki "Pon Wen." ona li kama tan toki pona. taso
ona li jo e nimi mute. mi pilin e ni: ona li pona tawa sina. mi toki e toki pona
kin. taso toki ante ni li pona kin.

http://www.freewebs .com/bonwen/

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jan_sewe

Re: toki ni li meli lili pi toki pona

Postby jan_sewe » Tue May 05, 2009 2:41 pm


--- In tokipona@yahoogroups.com, Kevyn <silverwings_88@...> wrote:
>
> toki 'pona la' li ike mute mute tawa mi a! mi sona ala e nasin ona lon lipu pi
jan Pije.
>  
ken la jan Pije li pali e toki sona pi pona mute... taso ona li jan pali ala pi
toki pona. jan Sonja taso li ni.

nimi tu 'pona la' li pona tawa mi. tenpo mute la mi toki sama ni:

pona la (fortunately)
ike la (unfortunately)
sama la (similarly)
ante la (otherwise, on the other hand...)
nasa la (foolishly)

and so on. I really think you should reconsider such a way to turn many words
into adverbs.


Kevyn

Re: Re: toki ni li meli lili pi toki pona

Postby Kevyn » Tue May 05, 2009 3:06 pm


o a! mi sona ala.
 
taso nasin toki sina li ante li sin mute tawa mi a! toki pona mi li toki pona pi
tenpo pini. mi sona ala e toki pona sin a!
 
mi sona e ni: nimi adverbo li lon monsi pi nimi pali (verbo) sama ' mi wile toki
ike' li 'Mi volas malbone paroli.' taso ken la toki sina li kin pona tawa mi
sama 'ike la mi wile toki.'
 
taso mi pali e toki sin lon toki pona. mi kepeken e nimi 'pona' kiel verbo por
'purigi.'
Ekzemple, 'o pona e tomo lape sina!' 'Purigu vian dormoc'ambron!'
 
mi kin kepeken e nimi 'selo' tawa pilin 'sekreto, kus'i, ekstere,' ktp.




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From: jan_sewe <serge.g@laposte.net>
To: tokipona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 11:41:23 AM
Subject: [tokipona] Re: toki ni li meli lili pi toki pona





--- In tokipona@yahoogroup s.com, Kevyn <silverwings_ 88@...> wrote:
>
> toki 'pona la' li ike mute mute tawa mi a! mi sona ala e nasin ona lon lipu pi
jan Pije.
>  
ken la jan Pije li pali e toki sona pi pona mute... taso ona li jan pali ala pi
toki pona. jan Sonja taso li ni.

nimi tu 'pona la' li pona tawa mi. tenpo mute la mi toki sama ni:

pona la (fortunately)
ike la (unfortunately)
sama la (similarly)
ante la (otherwise, on the other hand...)
nasa la (foolishly)

and so on. I really think you should reconsider such a way to turn many words
into adverbs.




sina sona mute. mi sona lili mute a! :P



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jan_sewe

Re: toki ni li meli lili pi toki pona

Postby jan_sewe » Tue May 05, 2009 3:29 pm


toki pona sina li pona li tan tenpo pini ala.
sin la toki pona pi tenpo pini kin li tan monsi pi tenpo sike 2001... :)

--- In tokipona@yahoogroups.com, Kevyn <silverwings_88@...> wrote:
>
> o a! mi sona ala.
>  
> taso nasin toki sina li ante li sin mute tawa mi a! toki pona mi li toki pona
pi tenpo pini. mi sona ala e toki pona sin a!
>  
> mi sona e ni: nimi adverbo li lon monsi pi nimi pali (verbo) sama ' mi wile
toki ike' li 'Mi volas malbone paroli.' taso ken la toki sina li kin pona tawa
mi sama 'ike la mi wile toki.'
>  
> taso mi pali e toki sin lon toki pona. mi kepeken e nimi 'pona' kiel verbo por
'purigi.'
> Ekzemple, 'o pona e tomo lape sina!' 'Purigu vian dormoc'ambron!'
>  
> mi kin kepeken e nimi 'selo' tawa pilin 'sekreto, kus'i, ekstere,' ktp.


John E Clifford

Re: Re: toki ni li meli lili pi toki pona

Postby John E Clifford » Tue May 05, 2009 6:31 pm


The earliest 'pona la' is from before I started keeping records, so 2004 or
earlier. 'ike la' and several similar are equally old.

For clarity, 'tan ala tenpo pini' works better than with the 'ala' at the end,
since then it could negate any number of things (well, four).
Adverbs do go after verbs (insofar as that kind of talk makes sense: modifiers
follow modified, but there a 'adverbs' that modify the whole sentnence --
temporal, attitudinal, causal, etc. and they go before, followed by 'la.' This
is a case of attitudinal, indicating that the following fact is something that
at least the speaker considers a good thing.
Not sure what 'kin' right after 'li' might mean. I suppose that the idea here
is that your talk also is OK -- along with mine, or perhaps, it is also OK,
along with being different.
'lon toki pona' is better 'kepeken toki pona' if you mean the language, rather
than just good talking. 'pona' as a transitive verb (usual caveats)does mean
'make pona' and probably clean or pure is part of the good.
I'm not clear how 'selo' 'skin, shell, surface' might mean 'secret' (it seems to
be the opposite) or 'lying down' (but I am not sure what else might work; 'supa'
has been used thus). It does seem to work for 'outside,' however,' presumably
with 'lon' (and 'insa ala' has also been used).


________________________________
From: jan_sewe <serge.g@laposte.net>
To: tokipona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 2:29:45 PM
Subject: [tokipona] Re: toki ni li meli lili pi toki pona





toki pona sina li pona li tan tenpo pini ala.
sin la toki pona pi tenpo pini kin li tan monsi pi tenpo sike 2001... :)

--- In tokipona@yahoogroup s.com, Kevyn <silverwings_ 88@...> wrote:
>
> o a! mi sona ala.
>
> taso nasin toki sina li ante li sin mute tawa mi a! toki pona mi li toki pona
pi tenpo pini. mi sona ala e toki pona sin a!
>
> mi sona e ni: nimi adverbo li lon monsi pi nimi pali (verbo) sama ' mi wile
toki ike' li 'Mi volas malbone paroli.' taso ken la toki sina li kin pona tawa
mi sama 'ike la mi wile toki.'
>
> taso mi pali e toki sin lon toki pona. mi kepeken e nimi 'pona' kiel verbo por
'purigi.'
> Ekzemple, 'o pona e tomo lape sina!' 'Purigu vian dormoc'ambron! '
>
> mi kin kepeken e nimi 'selo' tawa pilin 'sekreto, kus'i, ekstere,' ktp.







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John E Clifford

Re: toki ni li meli lili pi toki pona

Postby John E Clifford » Tue May 05, 2009 6:41 pm


pakala a! ni li lon: kulupu kalama 'wo' li lon ala toki pona . ni li pona ala
tawa mi. taso lawa li lawa. jan Pije li lawa pini pi toki pona. taso ona li
kepeken e kulupu 'pona la'. nimi 'ala' taso li sona e nimi Inli 'nothing'. mi
wile toki wawa e ni: jan li wile ala.




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From: Kevyn <silverwings_88@yahoo.com>
To: tokipona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 12:31:37 AM
Subject: Re: [tokipona] toki ni li meli lili pi toki pona





mi pilin mute e ni: nimi Polapuki anu Olapuki li pona tan ni: kalama 'wo' li ike
tawa toki pona.

toki 'pona la' li ike mute mute tawa mi a! mi sona ala e nasin ona lon lipu pi
jan Pije.

'jan ala' li ike tawa toki pona. mi pilin mute e ni: jan Pije lon lipu ona li
toki e ni: sina wile toki pi 'neniu/nobody' la ona li ken toki e 'ala.'

No one can know Krishna.
ala li ken sona lon (about, on, when dealing with a topic) jan sewi suli Kisina.

____________ _________ _________ __
From: John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo. com>
To: tokipona@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2009 11:01:46 AM
Subject: Re: [tokipona] toki ni li meli lili pi toki pona

ken la "toki Pon Wen li pona tawa mi" ( nimi 'olin' li wawa mute) tan nasin seme
la toki insa li kama ike tan toki pona? "mi wile toki e kulupu "I
think...languages" " "mi pilin e ni: Epelanto anu Wolapuki (anu 'Wolapiki') li
toki pona pi ma ali" sona a! "toki pona li ike tawa toki pi ma ali" kulupu "toki
insa" li sona e toki Inli "soliloquy" "anu "subvocal discussion" anu ante. pona
la jan ala li wile e ni: toki pona li toki pi ma ali. toki pona li toki pi ma
lili.

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Tyler Eldredge <i_love_eire@ hotmail.com>
To: tokipona@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2009 11:21:51 AM
Subject: RE: [tokipona] toki ni li meli lili pi toki pona

pona! mi olin e toki Pon Wen, taso mi pilin e ni: toki pona li ike e toki insa.

mi pilin e Epelanto anu Polapuki li toki insa pona. (mi wile toki "I think
esperanto or volapük are good world languages")

-Tyler

To: tokipona@yahoogroup s.com
From: lordcaml@yahoo. com
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:03:00 +0000
Subject: [tokipona] toki ni li meli lili pi toki pona

tenpo suno tu la mi kama lukin e toki "Pon Wen." ona li kama tan toki pona. taso
ona li jo e nimi mute. mi pilin e ni: ona li pona tawa sina. mi toki e toki pona
kin. taso toki ante ni li pona kin.

http://www.freewebs .com/bonwen/

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Jim Henry

Re: toki ni li meli lili pi toki pona

Postby Jim Henry » Fri May 29, 2009 11:18 am


On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:03 PM, lordcaml <lordcaml@yahoo.com> wrote:
> tenpo suno tu la mi kama lukin e toki "Pon Wen." ona li kama tan toki pona.
taso ona li jo e nimi mute. mi pilin e ni: ona li pona tawa sina. mi toki e toki
pona kin. taso toki ante ni li pona kin.
>
> http://www.freewebs.com/bonwen/

I'm curious about your motivation for the particular
way you've reduced Toki Pona's phoneme inventory.
It looks like you've dropped /s/, /u/, and /i/. If I were
going to reduce TP's phoneme inventory even
further, I would not drop the only fricative, but one
of the phonemes in a category where TP has
two or three already: /t/ or /m/ or /w/ perhaps.
And for maximal contrast of a three-vowel system,
I'd make the prototypical values /i a u/ rather than
/e a o/.

Your website doesn't as far as I can tell say anything
about Bon Wen phonotactics; I infer from the word
forms I see used that it's basically the same as
Toki Pona's, right?

The grammar isn't thoroughly described yet, but
I like what I see so far and would like to see more
of it eventually.

--
Jim Henry
http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/



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