Toki Pona language code

[Joop Kiefte]

Hello,I tried to call and got somehow to the Ethnologue staff. The person theredirected me finally to this address and to the website, and said he couldn'tgive me the number. So here is my mail.Some time ago we have submitted a form about Toki Pona to acquire a languagecode. The request received disapproval. I didn't see any motivation on thisdecission and I would like to see about that if possible.Now several times yet I wanted to translate something and needed a languagecode (World of Goo, http://tinyurl.com/wogwiki , and forvo.com)In the first case the webmaster finally decided to use 'tp' as no otherlanguage than toki pona ever uses that code, and in the second case wefinally decided to use x-tp (because of limited space in the databasefields, otherwise we would have used x-tokipona). Now my questions are:- When, which and how should I fill in forms again to apply for this year'sround of language code assignment?- What do you recommend in those cases mentioned to get the languageproperly registered in those systems?(I want to note furtheron that I carbon-copy this mail to several otherpeople. The first one is the person who did the first request, the secondone is the yahoo-list of Toki Pona speakers, to keep them up to date aboutthis. It's however not all Toki Pona speakers who are in there, it ishowever the biggest group known to date keeping contact with each other inand about toki pona.)Thanks for your willingness to pay attention to this mail, and thanks forany reaction soon,Joop Kiefte,appointed moderator of the Yahoo list and fluent speaker of Toki Pona--Communication is essential. So we need decent tools when communication islacking, when language capability is hard to acquire...- http://esperanto.net - http://esperanto-jongeren.nlOnly those who attempt the absurd will achieve the impossible. I think it'sin my basement... let me go upstairs and check.- M. C. Escher[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Liogab11]

tp is the language code for Tok Pisin. Try tki.--- On Fri, 27/2/09, Joop Kiefte <ikojba@gmail.com> wrote:From: Joop Kiefte <ikojba@gmail.com>Subject: [tokipona] Toki Pona language codeTo: iso639-3@sil.orgCc: "Marcos Cramer" <marcos.cramer@gmail.com>, tokipona@yahoogroups.comDate: Friday, 27 February, 2009, 6:02 AM Hello,I tried to call and got somehow to the Ethnologue staff. The person theredirected me finally to this address and to the website, and said he couldn'tgive me the number. So here is my mail.Some time ago we have submitted a form about Toki Pona to acquire a languagecode. The request received disapproval. I didn't see any motivation on thisdecission and I would like to see about that if possible.Now several times yet I wanted to translate something and needed a languagecode (World of Goo, http://tinyurl. com/wogwiki , and forvo.com)In the first case the webmaster finally decided to use 'tp' as no otherlanguage than toki pona ever uses that code, and in the second case wefinally decided to use x-tp (because of limited space in the databasefields, otherwise we would have used x-tokipona). Now my questions are:- When, which and how should I fill in forms again to apply for this year'sround of language code assignment?- What do you recommend in those cases mentioned to get the languageproperly registered in those systems?(I want to note furtheron that I carbon-copy this mail to several otherpeople. The first one is the person who did the first request, the secondone is the yahoo-list of Toki Pona speakers, to keep them up to date aboutthis. It's however not all Toki Pona speakers who are in there, it ishowever the biggest group known to date keeping contact with each other inand about toki pona.)Thanks for your willingness to pay attention to this mail, and thanks forany reaction soon,Joop Kiefte,appointed moderator of the Yahoo list and fluent speaker of Toki Pona--Communication is essential. So we need decent tools when communication islacking, when language capability is hard to acquire...- http://esperanto. net - http://esperanto- jongeren. nlOnly those who attempt the absurd will achieve the impossible. I think it'sin my basement... let me go upstairs and check.- M. C. Escher[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Get your new Email address!Grab the Email name you've always wanted before someone else does!http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/aa/[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Joop Kiefte]

No it's not, tpi is.And the earlier request was for the code 'tok'. Unless there are goodreasons to do otherwise, we will stick to this.http://tp.wikipedia.org/ redirects to http://tokipona.wikipedia.orghttp://tpi ... i/Fran_pes is the Tok Pisin main pageOn Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Liogab11 <liogab11@yahoo.com> wrote:> tp is the language code for Tok Pisin. Try tki.>> --- On Fri, 27/2/09, Joop Kiefte <ikojba@gmail.com> wrote:> From: Joop Kiefte <ikojba@gmail.com>> Subject: [tokipona] Toki Pona language code> To: iso639-3@sil.org> Cc: "Marcos Cramer" <marcos.cramer@gmail.com>, tokipona@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, 27 February, 2009, 6:02 AM>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,>>>> I tried to call and got somehow to the Ethnologue staff. The person there>> directed me finally to this address and to the website, and said he> couldn't>> give me the number. So here is my mail.>> Some time ago we have submitted a form about Toki Pona to acquire a> language>> code. The request received disapproval. I didn't see any motivation on this>> decission and I would like to see about that if possible.>> Now several times yet I wanted to translate something and needed a language>> code (World of Goo, http://tinyurl. com/wogwiki , and forvo.com)>> In the first case the webmaster finally decided to use 'tp' as no other>> language than toki pona ever uses that code, and in the second case we>> finally decided to use x-tp (because of limited space in the database>> fields, otherwise we would have used x-tokipona). Now my questions are:>> - When, which and how should I fill in forms again to apply for this year's>> round of language code assignment?>> - What do you recommend in those cases mentioned to get the language>> properly registered in those systems?>> (I want to note furtheron that I carbon-copy this mail to several other>> people. The first one is the person who did the first request, the second>> one is the yahoo-list of Toki Pona speakers, to keep them up to date about>> this. It's however not all Toki Pona speakers who are in there, it is>> however the biggest group known to date keeping contact with each other in>> and about toki pona.)>>>> Thanks for your willingness to pay attention to this mail, and thanks for>> any reaction soon,>>>> Joop Kiefte,>> appointed moderator of the Yahoo list and fluent speaker of Toki Pona>>>> -->> Communication is essential. So we need decent tools when communication is>> lacking, when language capability is hard to acquire...>>>> - http://esperanto. net - http://esperanto- jongeren. nl>>>> Only those who attempt the absurd will achieve the impossible. I think it's>> in my basement... let me go upstairs and check.>> - M. C. Escher>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Get your new Email address!> Grab the Email name you've always wanted before someone else does!> http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/aa/>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>>>> ------------------------------------>> Yahoo! Groups Links>>>>--Communication is essential. So we need decent tools when communication islacking, when language capability is hard to acquire...- http://esperanto.net - http://esperanto-jongeren.nlOnly those who attempt the absurd will achieve the impossible. I think it'sin my basement... let me go upstairs and check.- M. C. Escher[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[toto1980toto1980toto1980]

--- In tokipona@yahoogroups.com, Joop Kiefte <ikojba@...> wrote:>> No it's not, tpi is.>> And the earlier request was for the code 'tok'. Unless there are good> reasons to do otherwise, we will stick to this.>> http://tp.wikipedia.org/ redirects to http://tokipona.wikipedia.org> http://tpi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran_pes is the Tok Pisin main page>and what to do with this page?: http://tokipona.wikia.com/wiki/lipu_lawa

[Joop Kiefte]

That one is moved to http://tokipona.wikia.comOn Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 2:03 PM, toto1980toto1980toto1980 <toto1980@yandex.ru> wrote:> --- In tokipona@yahoogroups.com, Joop Kiefte <ikojba@...> wrote:> >> > No it's not, tpi is.> >> > And the earlier request was for the code 'tok'. Unless there are good> > reasons to do otherwise, we will stick to this.> >> > http://tp.wikipedia.org/ redirects to http://tokipona.wikipedia.org> > http://tpi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran_pes is the Tok Pisin main page> >>> and what to do with this page?: http://tokipona.wikia.com/wiki/lipu_lawa>>>> ------------------------------------>> Yahoo! Groups Links>>>>--Communication is essential. So we need decent tools when communication islacking, when language capability is hard to acquire...- http://esperanto.net - http://esperanto-jongeren.nlOnly those who attempt the absurd will achieve the impossible. I think it'sin my basement... let me go upstairs and check.- M. C. Escher[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Joop Kiefte]

The main problem is the time it lives already. Lojban is from 1987, TokiPona is only from about 2000. As such it's just logical they want to seewhether it doesn't die out. (See documents mentioned in the official replyof SIL/ISO.)Therefor I want to encourage all of you to document all usage of Toki Pona(and usage just for fun is OK) in the wikipagehttp://tokipona.wikia.com/wiki/ISO and remain doing so, and to clarify etc.where necesary on the points already mentioned.They told us they have seen the growth, and if usage remains growing etc. inthe coming time it might be wise to apply before october another time.On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Helmut Voigt <akesi_palisa@yahoo.de> wrote:> ali o, toki!> I think that the (still) small number of toki pona speakers is one of the> main reasons for not accepting tp as an IAL. I don't know who the people are> who decide on granting the IAL status to a new language and how deep> their own knowledge of those languages is about the fate of which they have> to decide (latent pessimism is obvious). The number of Lojban speakers is> small as well, but maybe the inventors were more influential than jan Sonja,> who knows? For me, Lojban is much too theoretical and - when spoken - hardly> understandable (e.g., how does a full stop sound?). Nevertheless, I am open> to be persuaded of the contrary if possible.> I am and remain to be a tp defender!> jan Elumutu>> --- Joop Kiefte <ikojba@gmail.com> schrieb am Do, 26.2.2009:>> Von: Joop Kiefte <ikojba@gmail.com>> Betreff: [tokipona] Toki Pona language code> An: iso639-3@sil.org> CC: "Marcos Cramer" <marcos.cramer@gmail.com>, tokipona@yahoogroups.com> Datum: Donnerstag, 26. Februar 2009, 23:02>>>>>>> Hello,>> I tried to call and got somehow to the Ethnologue staff. The person there> directed me finally to this address and to the website, and said he> couldn't> give me the number. So here is my mail.> Some time ago we have submitted a form about Toki Pona to acquire a> language> code. The request received disapproval. I didn't see any motivation on this> decission and I would like to see about that if possible.> Now several times yet I wanted to translate something and needed a language> code (World of Goo, http://tinyurl. com/wogwiki , and forvo.com)> In the first case the webmaster finally decided to use 'tp' as no other> language than toki pona ever uses that code, and in the second case we> finally decided to use x-tp (because of limited space in the database> fields, otherwise we would have used x-tokipona). Now my questions are:> - When, which and how should I fill in forms again to apply for this year's> round of language code assignment?> - What do you recommend in those cases mentioned to get the language> properly registered in those systems?> (I want to note furtheron that I carbon-copy this mail to several other> people. The first one is the person who did the first request, the second> one is the yahoo-list of Toki Pona speakers, to keep them up to date about> this. It's however not all Toki Pona speakers who are in there, it is> however the biggest group known to date keeping contact with each other in> and about toki pona.)>> Thanks for your willingness to pay attention to this mail, and thanks for> any reaction soon,>> Joop Kiefte,> appointed moderator of the Yahoo list and fluent speaker of Toki Pona>> --> Communication is essential. So we need decent tools when communication is> lacking, when language capability is hard to acquire...>> - http://esperanto. net - http://esperanto- jongeren. nl>> Only those who attempt the absurd will achieve the impossible. I think it's> in my basement... let me go upstairs and check.> - M. C. Escher>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>>>> ------------------------------------>> Yahoo! Groups Links>>>>--Communication is essential. So we need decent tools when communication islacking, when language capability is hard to acquire...- http://esperanto.net - http://esperanto-jongeren.nlOnly those who attempt the absurd will achieve the impossible. I think it'sin my basement... let me go upstairs and check.- M. C. Escher[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]