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tomo tawa telo mi

Postby aikidave » Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:25 pm

tenpo esun pini la mi lon sewi tomo tawa mi e tomo tawa telo mi.
mi lawa e tomo tawa mi tawa ma lili ante.
mi tawa tomo pi jan pona mi.
ona li poka telo suli.
mi lon telo suli e tomo tawa telo.
mi sewi e len lon tomo tawa telo.
mi kepeken e kon tawa ni: kon tawa e tomo tawa telo mi.
tenpo mute la mi tawa lon telo suli kepeken tomo tawa telo mi.
kon li wawa. tenpo lili la tomo tawa telo mi li tawa mute.
telo li lon insa tomo tawa telo mi.
len mi li telo.
telo li pilin lete.
ni li pona tawa mi: mi tawa kepeken tomo tawa telo.
mi moku e moku poka jan pona mi.
mi lon sewi tomo tawa mi e tomo tawa telo mi.
mi tawa tomo mi kepeken tomo tawa mi.

Comments / corrections / improvements please. Thank you.
Translation below.

Last week I put my boat on top of my car.
I drove to another state.
I went to my friend's house.
He lives next to a lake.
I put my boat into the lake.
I raise the sail on my boat.
I use the wind to move my boat.
I sailed my boat on the lake for a long time.
The wind was strong. My boat moved quickly.
Water splashed inside my boat.
My clothes got wet.
The water is cold.
I like sailing my boat.
I ate dinner with my friend.
I put my boat on top of my car.
I drove home.

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Re: tomo tawa telo mi

Postby janMato » Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:50 am

wawa is cannonical for "fast", so
kon li wawa. tomo tawa telo mi li tawa wawa. The wind is powerful, my boat goes fast.

tawa mute- "goes often" is my first read

if the boat goes far, then we don't have a good word for it

tomo tawa telo mi li tawa suli palisa suli. A large linear magnitude.

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Re: tomo tawa telo mi

Postby janKipo » Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:45 am


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Re: tomo tawa telo mi

Postby janMato » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:02 am

As jan nasa I firmly believe:

lon sewi acts as if it were a single word and doesn't require pi after it regardless to how many words follow. Why? Because certain breaks are obvious and don't need a particle, as opposed to certain breaks which are not obvious and are missing a particle (I'm thinking of stuff that follows the verb but precedes the e)

lon poka means physically next to
poka means in conjunction with, collaborating with, or any other sense of with other than "physically next to"

If poka is being used like "li lon PLACE e THING", then I would say it needs lon, which makes it a "li lon" construction. If it doesn't, then it must be some sort of causative

? mi poka soweli e waso. I made the bird collaborate along with the animal. Not esp useful.
? mi poka soweli tawa e tomo tawa. I made the horse work with the wagon.
? mi poka tomo tawa e soweli tawa. I made the horse work with the wagon. Sounds better than the above.
? mi kepeken ilo e jan lili. I made the child use the tool.
? mi sama jan suli e jan lili. I made the child into an adult.
? mi sewi lawa mi e jan lili. I raised the child above my head.

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Re: tomo tawa telo mi

Postby janKipo » Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:28 pm

I agree about the compound prepositions as prepositions, but what they do as verbs (or modifiers, for that matter) is still up in the air a bit.
? mi poka soweli e waso. I made the bird collaborate along with the animal. Not esp useful.
Or just be with or be near -- maybe in the same cage, say. But not very useful, agreed
? mi poka soweli tawa e tomo tawa. I made the horse work with the wagon.
Just "I put the cart near/next to the horse" no work implied
? mi poka tomo tawa e soweli tawa. I made the horse work with the wagon. Sounds better than the above.
Ditto, now moving the horse, however.
? mi kepeken ilo e jan lili. I made the child use the tool.
No, 'kepeken' definitely does not take a NP complement in verb position -- it is a verb already, after all. "I used the child as a tool" is about the best we can hope for for this one.
? mi sama jan suli e jan lili. I made the child into an adult.
" made him like an adult" anyhow, not actually an adult, of course (mi suli e jan lili)
? mi sewi lawa mi e jan lili. I raised the child above my head.
I think this one needs 'lon', 'sewi' by itself is just a noun, not a preposition (yet, anyhow). Or maybe 'tawa sewi pi lawa mi' 'pi' definitely required.
Last edited by janKipo on Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:42 pm, edited 1 time in total.


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