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nasin pona

Postby jan lipakek » Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:58 pm

weli mi li tan ma Kelipuli (Czech Republic). tenpo sike tu wan la mi lon ma Kelipuli. ma Kelipuli li pona mute tawa mi. lon pona (simple life) li pona tawa jan Ke. pali awen li suli ala tawa ona mute.
ona mute li jo ala e nasin sewi. mi pilin e ni: nasin Ke ni li pona mute. nasin ante li pona lili.
ona mute li musi e lon.
jan Ke li wile e moku e tomo e kulupu mama e musi. ni li ali.
tenpo ala la ona mute li wile utala ala. (are there double negatives like that in toki pona?)
tenpo pini la ma Kelipuli li utala ala lon utala ma sike suli (in the world wars). tenpo pini la ma Tosi (Germany) en ma Pusija (Russia) li lon ma Kelipuli. jan Ke li utala ala. ma ike li wile ala moli e jan Ke tan ni: jan Ke li toki utala ala li utala ala. tenpo ali la jan Ke li pona.
mani li pona ala tawa ona mute. ona mute li wile e mani lili e ijo lili. ona mute li wile e pilin pona mute.
mi pilin e ni: ante ike li kama tawa ma Kelipuli. ma sike suli li kama e ni: ma Kelipuli li ante e nasin ona. ni li ike tawa mi.
nasin Ke li pona mute tawa mi.
ma seme li pona tawa sina? Tan seme?

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Re: nasin pona

Postby janMato » Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:25 pm

jan lipakek wrote:meli mi li tan ma Kelipuli (Czech Republic). tenpo sike tu wan la mi lon ma Kelipuli. ma Kelipuli li pona mute tawa mi. lon pona (simple life) li pona tawa jan Ke. pali awen li suli ala tawa ona mute.
ona mute li jo ala e nasin sewi. mi pilin e ni: nasin Ke ni li pona mute. nasin ante li pona lili.
ona mute li musi e lon.
jan Ke li wile e moku e tomo e kulupu mama e musi. ni li ali.
tenpo ala la ona mute li wile utala ala. (are there double negatives like that in toki pona?)
tenpo pini la ma Kelipuli li utala ala lon utala ma sike suli (in the world wars). tenpo pini la ma Tosi (Germany) en ma Pusija (Russia) li lon ma Kelipuli. jan Ke li utala ala. ma ike li wile ala moli e jan Ke tan ni: jan Ke li toki utala ala li utala ala. tenpo ali la jan Ke li pona.
mani li pona ala tawa ona mute. ona mute li wile e mani lili e ijo lili. ona mute li wile e pilin pona mute.
mi pilin e ni: ante ike li kama tawa ma Kelipuli. ma sike suli li kama e ni: ma Kelipuli li ante e nasin ona. ni li ike tawa mi.
nasin Ke li pona mute tawa mi.
ma seme li pona tawa sina? Tan seme?

My wife is from the Czech Republic. Three years ago I was in the Czech Republic. I like the CR. Mr Ke likes good existence. Stored work (continuing work?) is not great for them.
They don't have a high/holy life. (oops, sewi in toki pona means high and holy-- other meanings of high as in high-living standard aren't really established conventions yet) I think Mr Ke's is rather better than others.
They play the existence.
[I'm not convinced that lon means life]
Czech people (ah not Mr. Ke-- it is toki Seki/ma Seki, I have to look these up each time-- there are canonical versions)-- want food, housing, family, and entertainment. This is all.
They never want to fight. [Re double negatives-- the opinion poll is divided, I haven't done a corpus search yet to see what the usage rates are, imho there are good arguments for doing it either way.]
Previously, the CR didn't fight in the world wars (utala suli pi ma ale.... sike is okay, but probably not the most salient feature-- it was-almost-all countries that were fighting). Previously Germany and Russia (ma Losi)--- "li lawa e" ruled. Toki pona style right now prefers extremely literal usages of prepositions, So "lon ma" probably means that Germany and Russia were provinces of the CR. Czechs didn't fight, bad countries didn't want to kill the Czechs because they didn't speak combatively or fight. They've always been good. They don't like money. They want little money and few things. They want to feel rather good. I think the bad foreigners come to the CR, The globe causes this-- the CR changes their ways. I don't like this. (globalization = nasin pi ma ale or something like that) I really like the Czechs. What country do you like and why?

ma pi toki ante li pona tawa mi. ma ale li jo e kiwen mani ni: kiwen li toki pi ma pi ni mute.

ma Islan kin li pona tawa mi. toki Islan li pona kute. sitelen tawa musi pi ma Islan li musi mute li pona tawa mi.

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Re: nasin pona

Postby jan lipakek » Fri Sep 10, 2010 4:08 am

Thanks again for all the corrections. It's nice to see you understood most of it.
'tenpo sike tu wan.' I wanted to say that I've lived in the Czech Republic for 3 years.
'ona mute li jo ala e nasin sewi.' I wanted to say that religion is rare in the country.
'ona mute li musi e lon.' I wanted to say that they enjoy life.

mi lon ala ma Island. mi wile tawa ma ni. mi pilin e ni: ken la ma Island li pona lukin mute.
sina toki pona mute kepeken toki Island anu seme? tenpo pini la sina lon ma Island? tenpo mute seme la sina lon ma Island?

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Re: nasin pona

Postby jan Ote » Fri Sep 10, 2010 5:18 am

jan lipakek wrote:weli mi
meli mi (cf "Mary")
jan lipakek wrote:li tan ma Kelipuli (Czech Republic).
tan ma Seki.
jan lipakek wrote:ona mute li jo ala e nasin sewi.
"They are atheists" (well, most of them).

jan lipakek wrote:tenpo ala la ona mute li wile utala ala. (are there double negatives like that in toki pona?)
I believe, there aren't any.
jan lipakek wrote:tenpo pini la ma Kelipuli li utala ala lon utala ma sike suli (in the world wars).
utala pi ma sike suli
By the way, both sentences are not quite true. Czechs had a stormy history: e.g. successful raid on Poland made by Břetislav I, Přemyslides, fights for Silesia, Austria, defenestration, Hussite wars, Second Defenestration, battle of the White Mountain. Yes, Czech Republic didn't fight during WWI because... there wasn't any Czech state then. But Czechs fought during WWI, in the army of Austro-Hungarian Empire just like Slovaks, Poles or Slovenes. True, they didn't defend their country at the dawn of WII. When Western countries betrayed them in Munich, it wouldn't be wise to fight. Then again, Czech airmen were one of the most effective defenders of Great Britain.

jan lipakek wrote:ma ike li wile ala moli e jan Ke
"Evil lands didn't want" - is not tokiponian way of thinking. Land is not able to want anything, It's just a terrain. People, or rather: the rulers of the land want something or not.

jan lipakek wrote:tan ni: jan Ke li toki utala ala li utala ala. tenpo ali la jan Ke li pona.
You've forgot Prague Spring, haven't you?

jan lipakek wrote:mi lon ala ma Island.
ma Isilan
jan lipakek wrote:sina toki pona mute kepeken toki Island anu seme?
jan Mato li kama sona e toki Isilan.

mi jan Posuka. jan Seki li jan poka pi jan Posuka. tenpo pini la jan Seki en jan Posuka li utala e sama. tenpo pini la jan Seki en jan Posuka li pana e pona tawa sama.

o pana e pona tan mi tawa meli sina.
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Re: nasin pona

Postby jan lipakek » Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:25 am

pona! jan ote o. toki!
mi pilin e ni: ijo ni pi ma Seki. taso mi toki e ijo lili pi ma Seki tan ni: mi ken ala toki pona kepeken toki pona.
You're right obviously about those details about Czech history, I know about it but I was sticking to a description of the basic Czech character with a few examples. Prague Spring I suppose maybe could be considered 'toki utala' (not in my opinion) but the Russians poured in with their tanks expecting to have to slam down an uprising and almost nobody did anything about it, no violence. There had been no fighting talk to provoke the Russians, only a change in policy and visible attitude by the Czechs.
Mainly I was referring to the behaviour of Czechs in general. In England there are fights everywhere on Friday and Saturday nights and peole say it's because of alcohol. However in the Czech Republic (one of the biggest beer drinking nations in the world) I never see agression when they're drunk, they're only ever happy and having fun. They're very passive, a characteristic ingrained in them from their own history I suppose.
I very often hear about the Munich betrayal, all my Czech friends and family blame (jokingly) the Uk and allies for it!

tenpo pini tu la mi tawa ma Posuka. ona li ma pona lukin. mi sona ala e ni: jan posuka li pona ala pona? What are Poles like? mi toki e ni: kepeken nimi seme?

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Re: nasin pona

Postby jan Ote » Fri Sep 10, 2010 1:52 pm

tenpo suli pini la jan Posuka li utala mute. ona li utala e jan pi ma ante. ona li utala e jan Losi e jan Seki e jan Tosi e jan Tuki. tan ni la ona li pilin e ni: "mi jan utala pona. mi suli. jan lawa mi li sewi ala mi. jan lawa li suli sama mi li suli sama jan utala ante. jan wan li suli sama jan ante. tan ni la wile pi jan wan li suli sama wile pi jan ante". tan ni la jan Posuka pi tenpo pini li pali e lawa ni: 'jan ali li toki li wile pali e lawa sin la jan wan li ken toki e ni: "mi wile ala!". ni li kama lon la jan ante ali li ken ala pali e lawa ni'. tenpo mute la ni li pana e ike tawa kulupu Posuka. jan pi ma ante li anpa e jan Posuka. tenpo suli la jan pi ma ante li lawa e ona. jan Posuka mute li kama pilin e ni: "jan lawa tan ma ante li lawa e mi. ona li ike. lawa ona li ike. lawa li ike. lawa ali li ike". tan pilin ni la jan li wile ala kepeken e nasin lawa. ni li pona ala. jan pi sitelen toki li sona e ni li toki e ni: "jan Posuka ali li kulupu pona li kulupu suli. taso ona li kulupu lawa ala li kulupu pali ala".

pona la ni li kama ante.

jan ali o musi! o pali. o kama sona e sona mute. o toki utala ala. o awen ala tawa utala. o utala ala. utala li ike. jan li pali la ona li pilin pona li kama jo e ijo pona. jan li kama sona la ona li ken pali e ijo sin pona mute. jan li utala la ona li pali ala. ona li pakala e jan ante li moli e ona. ona li pakala e tomo e ijo pona. utala li ike mute.

jan Posuka li pona kin. ona li toki mute li toki musi. jan ante li tawa tomo ona la ona li pana e moku mute e telo tawa jan ni. ona li toki e ni: "jan li tawa tomo la jan sewi li tawa tomo".
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Re: nasin pona

Postby jan-ante » Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:04 pm

jan lipakek wrote: weli mi li tan ma Kelipuli (Czech Republic). tenpo ala la ona mute li wile utala ala. ...
ma ike li wile ala moli e jan Ke tan ni: jan Ke li toki utala ala li utala ala. tenpo ali la jan Ke li pona.

nasin ni li pona tawa sina anu seme?
jan Seki li utala ala. ona li pali e ilo utala tawa jan utala Tosi. jan utala Tosi li moli e jan mute kepeken ilo ni. ni li pona lal pona?
mi pilin e ni: jan li utala ala e lawa ike la ni li pona tawa lawa ike.
jan-ante wrote:mi o pakala e lawa ike taso
o kama jo e ijo mi.
mi kepeken e wawa seli
tawa jan lawa ike kin.


o lukin tawa ma Ilakija: ona li utala e lawa ike pi ma Mewika. taso jan Seki li kulupu poka jan Mewika li moli e jan Ilakija. nasin Seki li ike tawa mi

jan lipakek wrote:mani li pona ala tawa ona mute. ona mute li wile e mani lili e ijo lili.

hmmm

I very often hear about the Munich betrayal, all my Czech friends and family blame (jokingly) the Uk and allies for it!
why jokingly?

ma Pusija (Russia)

kulupu ma Soweto

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Re: nasin pona

Postby janKipo » Sun Sep 12, 2010 3:10 pm

o mi mute li utala ala e utala pi tenpo sike 100 pini! ike ni li mute pona tawa ali tawa ma Mewika kin.

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Re: nasin pona

Postby janMato » Sun Sep 12, 2010 3:15 pm

janKipo wrote:o mi mute li utala ala e utala pi tenpo sike 100 pini! ike ni li mute pona tawa ali tawa ma Mewika kin.


grammar q: "ike ni li mute pona tawa ali tawa ma Mewika kin"?

A good numerousness? Or are modifiers reversed? And is polarity reversed? ike ni li ike tawa ali? No one like this bad stuff?

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Re: nasin pona

Postby janKipo » Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:28 pm

There is evil (blame) enough for everybody, America too.


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