Toki!
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in fact it works even with other objects, but could be considered as a sort of pervertKuti wrote:Does it works for animals?janKipo wrote:To another side of this point, 'olin' is, as I said, only supposed to be between people .
mi olin e soweli lili mi (?)
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I'm using X li olin e Y for animate-animate and X li pona tawa Y animate-inanimate.
Last time I thought about this I thought I'd discovered noun classes in toki pona (similar to gender, or the way that some languages split up the pronouns by animate-inanimate, etc), but it doesn't quite fit. Pinker's term "micro-class" seems to work better because pinker uses it for groups of semanticly related words that trigger certain constructions or prohibit others.
Last time I thought about this I thought I'd discovered noun classes in toki pona (similar to gender, or the way that some languages split up the pronouns by animate-inanimate, etc), but it doesn't quite fit. Pinker's term "micro-class" seems to work better because pinker uses it for groups of semanticly related words that trigger certain constructions or prohibit others.
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Already answered here:Kuti wrote:Does it works for animals?
mi olin e soweli lili mi (?)
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OK, I understand : the syntax of my sentence was correct but not the using of "olin"jan Ote wrote:"olin" is used for affectional feeling, to persons, not for generic pleasure, enjoyment.
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Kuti wrote:Does it works for animals?janKipo wrote:To another side of this point, 'olin' is, as I said, only supposed to be between people .
mi olin e soweli lili mi (?)
mi olin e jan. taso mi soweli.
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jan Kanso
P.S. : mi sona pona e jan. tan ni la mi olin mute e soweli tomo mi.
("Plus je connais les gens, plus j'aime mon chien.", French proverb)
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The content of the word list is totally in the hands of Sonja, the creator. She has released a revised list of words but some of them are only vaguely explained or not at all yet. We make do for now and speculate about what will happen later,
'tomo' is any structure; a city is something like 'ma tomo' or 'tomo mute'. You don't (nor want) quotes around the city name, even if you leave it unchanged (to 'Lesiton', say) 'mi mute' as subject requires 'li'; it is only 'mi' alone (and 'sina' alone) that allow the dropping). The language used in talking is referred to using 'kepeken', not the direct object marker 'e' (DO of 'toki' is what is said eitheer generally or specifically). So, revised :
mi sona e ni: tenpo ni la mi pali e toki mute lili. tenpo suno [ni/pini/kama?] la mi tawa ma tomo Lexington [Lesiton]. mi mute li toki wan kepeken toki Latin [Lasina]. mi ken ala toki kepeken toki ante. tenpo lili la mi lon ala [ma?] tomo pi toki ni [? I'm not sure whether you mean a building or a city and whether you want "thing language-building" or "building of this language."
mi sona ala e toki Epalo [?]
mi pini ante e toki mute mi.
mi sona e ni: tenpo ni la mi pali e toki mute lili. tenpo suno kama la mi tawa ma tomo Lesiton. mil mute li toki wan kepeken toki Lasina. mi ken ala toki kepeken toki ante. tempo esun la mi ken ala toki e toki ante. mi ken toki e toki Lasina.
taso.
mi pini tawa tomo mi tan kulupu toki Lasina. telo lili li lon kon li ma tomo Lesiton. tenpo ni la mi lon telo suli. mi e mije sama pali lon ma ni.
mi wile kama e sona e toki Epalanto. tempo tomo sona kama la mi jo jan pona. mi pini jo e olin lili tawa ona. mi jo ala. ona li jo e jan pona li toki e toki Epelanto. tempo kama lili la mi wile lukin e ona kepeken tomo tawa kon. mi wile lukin e jan pona mi e jan pona ona.
'tomo' is any structure; a city is something like 'ma tomo' or 'tomo mute'. You don't (nor want) quotes around the city name, even if you leave it unchanged (to 'Lesiton', say) 'mi mute' as subject requires 'li'; it is only 'mi' alone (and 'sina' alone) that allow the dropping). The language used in talking is referred to using 'kepeken', not the direct object marker 'e' (DO of 'toki' is what is said eitheer generally or specifically). So, revised :
mi sona e ni: tenpo ni la mi pali e toki mute lili. tenpo suno [ni/pini/kama?] la mi tawa ma tomo Lexington [Lesiton]. mi mute li toki wan kepeken toki Latin [Lasina]. mi ken ala toki kepeken toki ante. tenpo lili la mi lon ala [ma?] tomo pi toki ni [? I'm not sure whether you mean a building or a city and whether you want "thing language-building" or "building of this language."
mi sona ala e toki Epalo [?]
mi pini ante e toki mute mi.
mi sona e ni: tenpo ni la mi pali e toki mute lili. tenpo suno kama la mi tawa ma tomo Lesiton. mil mute li toki wan kepeken toki Lasina. mi ken ala toki kepeken toki ante. tempo esun la mi ken ala toki e toki ante. mi ken toki e toki Lasina.
taso.
mi pini tawa tomo mi tan kulupu toki Lasina. telo lili li lon kon li ma tomo Lesiton. tenpo ni la mi lon telo suli. mi e mije sama pali lon ma ni.
mi wile kama e sona e toki Epalanto. tempo tomo sona kama la mi jo jan pona. mi pini jo e olin lili tawa ona. mi jo ala. ona li jo e jan pona li toki e toki Epelanto. tempo kama lili la mi wile lukin e ona kepeken tomo tawa kon. mi wile lukin e jan pona mi e jan pona ona.
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Semper aliquid corrigendum!
mi pini ante e toki mute mi.
mi sona e ni: tenpo ni la mi pali e toki mute lili. tenpo suno kama la mi tawa ma tomo Lesiton. mil mute li toki wan kepeken toki Lasina. mi ken ala toki kepeken toki ante. tempo esun la mi ken ala toki e toki ante. mi ken toki kepeken toki Lasina.
taso.
mi pini tawa tomo mi tan kulupu toki Lasina. telo lili li lon kon li ma tomo Lesiton. tenpo ni la mi lon telo suli. mi e mije sama pali lon ma ni.
mi wile kama sona e toki Epalanto. tempo tomo sona kama la mi jo jan pona. mi pini jo e olin lili tawa ona. tempo ni la mi jo ala e olin. ona li jo e jan pona li sona e toki Epelanto. tempo kama lili la mi wile lukin e ona kepeken tomo tawa kon. mi wile lukin e jan pona mi e jan pona ona.
mi pini ante e toki mute mi.
mi sona e ni: tenpo ni la mi pali e toki mute lili. tenpo suno kama la mi tawa ma tomo Lesiton. mil mute li toki wan kepeken toki Lasina. mi ken ala toki kepeken toki ante. tempo esun la mi ken ala toki e toki ante. mi ken toki kepeken toki Lasina.
taso.
mi pini tawa tomo mi tan kulupu toki Lasina. telo lili li lon kon li ma tomo Lesiton. tenpo ni la mi lon telo suli. mi e mije sama pali lon ma ni.
mi wile kama sona e toki Epalanto. tempo tomo sona kama la mi jo jan pona. mi pini jo e olin lili tawa ona. tempo ni la mi jo ala e olin. ona li jo e jan pona li sona e toki Epelanto. tempo kama lili la mi wile lukin e ona kepeken tomo tawa kon. mi wile lukin e jan pona mi e jan pona ona.