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ma Esi / Estonia

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ma Esi / Estonia

Postby zeme » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:57 pm

Here's a short text I've translated. I'd be grateful if you could have a look at it and fix the mistakes ;)

Estonia is a small country in northern and eastern Europe. It shares borders with Russia and Latvia. The capital city is Tallinn. The only other big city is Tartu.
ma Esi li ma lili tan ma Elopa lete. ona jo pini kepeken ma Losi e ma Lawi. ma tomo suli li Talin. Taltu e Talin li taso suli ma tomo.

In 1918 Estonia had a brief period of independence that lasted until the Soviet Union took over the country. In 1991 Estonia gained its independence from the Soviet Union. In 2004 Estonia gained full membership into the European Union.
lon 1918 Esi jo e tenpo "independence" lili "UNTIL" ma "Sowjet Junion?" jo e ma Esi. lon 1991 Esi jo ona "independence" tan ma "Sowjet Junion?". lon 2004 Esi jo ale "kulupu?" insa Elopa Unjon?

Estonia is one of the smallest countries in Europe covering an area of 45,227 sq km (17,462 sq mi).
Esi li wan pi lili ma insa ma Elopa "covering an area of" [..]
Please correct my mistakes :)

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Re: ma Esi / Estonia

Postby janMato » Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:41 pm


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Re: ma Esi / Estonia

Postby jan Ote » Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:45 am

ma Esi li ma lili. ona li lon lete pi ma suli Elopa li ma pi suno weka. ona li lon poka pi ma Losi en ma Lawi. ma tomo Talin li ma tomo lawa ona. ma tomo Tatu li suli kin. ma tomo ante li lon ma Esi. taso ona li suli ala.

tenpo suli pini la jan ante li lawa e jan Esi. jan lawa Posuka li lawa e ona. jan lawa Wensa li lawa e ona. jan lawa Losi li lawa e ona. taso utala suli pi jan ali li kama. tenpo sike 1918 la jan Esi li utala e kulupu lawa Losi. utala li pini la jan lawa Losi li sitelen e toki ni: jan Esi li ken lawa e ma ona. ni li lon.

taso utala suli sin li kama. tenpo sike 1940 jan utala Losi li kama tawa ma Esi. jan lawa pi Losi suli li kama e ni: ma Esi li wan pi ma Losi. jan lawa pi Losi suli li lawa e ona. utala suli li pini. tenpo suli li kama. tenpo sike 1991 jan Esi li kama sin e ni: ona ken lawa e ma ona. tenpo sike 2004 ma Esi li kama e wan pi kulupu ma Elopa.

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Numbers, especially years are ike -- there is no good way to express them in toki pona. But if you really have to, then "1918" is a right solution.

There is no official name for Soviet Union, so I use "Losi suli", because in practice "Soviet Russia" and "USSR" were the same. Just another form of the Russian Empire.

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Re: ma Esi / Estonia

Postby janKipo » Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:10 am


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Re: ma Esi / Estonia

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Re: ma Esi / Estonia

Postby zeme » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:13 pm

We've translated "In 1918" with different approaches:

- I used "lon 1918", which is obviously wrong as lon should precede location or place; not time.
- janMato used "tempo sike pi 1918" (if we skip the controversial numbering system) -Shouldn't it be "teNpo"?
- jan Ote used "tenpo sike 1918" (which I think translates to: time around 1918)
- janKipo used "tenpo sike 1918 pini la tenpo lili" (to specify the past tense, I suppose)

Now..which way is the best?
Please correct my mistakes :)

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Re: ma Esi / Estonia

Postby janKipo » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:32 pm

Well, I am partial, of course. My whole prefix says "after year 1918, for a little while" The "foreign" names (and what could be more so than big numbers) directly modify their noun and tend to be taken as a unit even if, when they are at home, they have parts, so no 'pi' (which requires two "words" jan Mato mucking about notwithstanding).
'tenpo sike 1918' means "in 1918" pretty much (I admit things are fuzzy in this area). But I think that 'lon' is wrong here and that prefixes are preferable and yes, 'tenpo' has an 'n' not an 'm' (I think this is the most common typo in tp).

I like putting the governance in the hands of the people, too. maktub (surely misspelled in at least one way). And that carries over to the end, the victim of too much following the letter rather than the spirit.
'tenpo pini la jan lawa Sojusi li lawa e ma/jan Esi. taso tenpo sike 1991 la jan Esi li kama e ni: ona li lawa e sama.'

'kulupu' is head enough for 'Wan Elopa'. If you want to stress that it is a group of countries then 'kulupu pi ma Wan Elopa' or 'kulupu ma Wan Elopa' (and the latter is clearer).

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Re: ma Esi / Estonia

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