janKipo wrote:Well, as any sociological researcher knows, real people are a problem for theories (and are, so, best ignored).
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janKipo wrote:... but a dead level community is presupposed in tp. So we go with that until we have to change.
It's not a matter of language design. Politeness signals are harder to say in toki pona--they're more abstract, harder to figure out what we really were saying in English. So it would be be handy for Sonya to tell us how to say "please, thanks, sorry, congratulations, etc" That said, it's hardly necessary
. All of those could be expressed through community innovation--i.e. just talking within the bounds of the existing syntax and vocabulary.
janKipo wrote:You were a GA in a different time and place, apparently
University of Akron, Akron Ohio. I can remember at least two cases where people were corrected for not using the right title and I can't remember anyone using first name basis. In 3rd person speech--when the prof wasn't it the room, it was only title + last. High school was much stricter with regard to names. It would make an interesting experiment to see if people tried to re-create they honorifics if asked to try to talk to people of various ranks using Klingon, French, or Toki pona.
janKipo wrote:Who's on First works fine in tp?).
jan Abbot: ni la jan Kosutejo, mi tawa ma Nujoku kepeken sina. sina sona e jan ni: jan "Bucky Harrist". jan li jan lawa suli pi kulupu musi "Yankees". jan li pana e pali tawa mi. sina kepeken kulupu la mi li jan lawa.
Abbott: Well Costello, I'm going to New York with you. You know Bucky Harris, the Yankee's manager, gave me a job as coach for as long as you're on the team.
jan Costello: jan Abbot o! sina jan lawa la sina sona e jan musi ale. mi pilin e ni: ni li lon.
Costello: Look Abbott, if you're the coach, you must know all the players.
jan Abbott: lukin la mi sona e jan.
Abbott: I certainly do.
jan Costello: sina sona e ni: mi sona lukin ala e jan ni pi kulupu "Yankees". mi sona e nimi pi jan kulupu la o toki e nimi jan ni tawa mi
Costello: Well you know I've never met the guys. So you'll have to tell me their names, and then I'll know who's playing on the team.
jan Abbott: pona. taso nimi jan mute li nasa la mi pana sona e nimi ona jan mute tawa sina.
Abbott: Oh, I'll tell you their names, but you know it seems to me they give these ball players now-a-days very peculiar names.
jan Costello: sina toki e "nimi nasa"?
Costello: You mean funny names?
jan Abbott: ona li nimi nasa, li nimi suwi. nimi wan li nimi "Dizzy Dean"
Abbott: Strange names, pet names...like Dizzy Dean...
jan Costello: jan sama on li nimi Daffy
Costello: His brother Daffy.
jan Abbot: nimi "Daffy Dean"...
Abbott: Daffy Dean...
jan Costello: ... en jan lili meli pi jan sama pi jan mama sina pi ma Kanse
Costello: And their French cousin.
Abbott: ..pi ma Kanse?
jan Costello: nimi li nimi "Goofè" pi toki Kanse
jan Abbot. jan Goofè Dean! ....mi pali e lawa insa....mi mute li jo e ni: jan "Seme" li lon wan, e ni: ijo "Seme" li lon tu, e ni: jan "Sona-Ala" li lon tu wan...
Abbott: Goofè Dean. Well, let's see, we have on the bags, Who's on first, What's on second, I Don't Know is on third...
jan Costello: pona a! kin la mi wile sona e ni.
Costello: That's what I want to find out.
jan Abbott: tempo pini lili la mi toki e ni: jan "Seme" li lon wan, e ni: ijo "Seme" li lon tu, e ni: jan "Sona-Ala" li lon tu wan...
Abbott: I say Who's on first, What's on second, I Don't Know's on third.
jan Costello: sina li ala anu ala jan lawa lili?
Costello: Are you the manager?
Abbott: mi jan lawa lili.
Costello: tempo kama la kin la sina jan lawa
Costello: You gonna be the coach too?
Abbott: tempo kama la li lon
Costello: sina sona ala e nimi pi kulupu musi?
Costello: And you don't know the fellows' names?
Abbott: kin la mi sona.
Abbott: Well I should.
Costello: a! jan seme li lon wan?
Costello: Well then who's on first?
Abbott: li lon.
Costello: mi wile sona e nimi pi ona jan
Costello: I mean the fellow's name.
Abbott: jan "Seme"
Costello: jan li lon wan?
Costello: The guy on first.
Abbott: jan "Seme"
Costello: jan musi pi ma wan?
Costello: The first baseman.
Abbott: jan "Seme"
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