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toki Olapu en toki pona

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tenpo pini lili la mi kama sona tan toki Olapu kepeken lipu Wiki en lipu ante.nimi "Volapük" li kama tan toki Inli "World Speech" li wile toki e ni: toki pijan ali. toki Olapu li toki pini nanpa wan tawa jan ali. toki Epelanto li nanpatu taso.ijo wan li utala e mi: nasin nimi pi toki Olapu li sama nasin nimi pi toki pona.sama toki pona la, ona li jo ala e sitelen R li kepeken e sitelen L tawa kalamani.o lukin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volap%C3%B ... iationsina pilin e seme?
John E Clifford

Re: toki Olapu en toki pona

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tan seme la sina kepeken e nimi 'tan' tawa nimi Inli 'about'? sama la sinakepeken e nimi 'utala' tawa seme: ken la nimi Inli 'surprise.' toki sina limusi mute tawa mi. pona!________________________________From: jan_sewe <serge.g@laposte.net>To: tokipona@yahoogroups.comSent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 7:52:54 AMSubject: [tokipona] toki Olapu en toki ponatenpo pini lili la mi kama sona tan toki Olapu kepeken lipu Wiki en lipu ante.nimi "Volapük" li kama tan toki Inli "World Speech" li wile toki e ni: toki pijan ali. toki Olapu li toki pini nanpa wan tawa jan ali. toki Epelanto li nanpatu taso.ijo wan li utala e mi: nasin nimi pi toki Olapu li sama nasin nimi pi toki pona.sama toki pona la, ona li jo ala e sitelen R li kepeken e sitelen L tawa kalamani.o lukin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volap%C3%B ... iationsina pilin e seme?[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
jan_sewe

Re: toki Olapu en toki pona

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--- In tokipona@yahoogroups.com, John E Clifford <kali9putra@...> wrote:>> tan seme la sina kepeken e nimi 'tan' tawa nimi Inli 'about'?I used 'tan' to indicate that Volapük was just a *source* of knowledge, in orderto avoid 'mi kama sona e toki Olapu' which would have been false, or even 'mikama sona lili e toki Olapu', but maybe this is what I should have writtenanyway.> sama la sina kepeken e nimi 'utala' tawa seme: ken la nimi Inli 'surprise.'Of course it's the *strike* meaning of utala I'm using here!> toki sina li musi mute tawa mi. pona!pona mute!However, I can't help thinking that Tokiponization has something to do whithVolapukization... anu ala? :)mi tawa.>>>>> ________________________________> From: jan_sewe <serge.g@...>> To: tokipona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 7:52:54 AM> Subject: [tokipona] toki Olapu en toki pona>>>>>> tenpo pini lili la mi kama sona tan toki Olapu kepeken lipu Wiki en lipu ante.nimi "Volapük" li kama tan toki Inli "World Speech" li wile toki e ni: toki pijan ali. toki Olapu li toki pini nanpa wan tawa jan ali. toki Epelanto li nanpatu taso.>> ijo wan li utala e mi: nasin nimi pi toki Olapu li sama nasin nimi pi tokipona. sama toki pona la, ona li jo ala e sitelen R li kepeken e sitelen L tawakalama ni.>> o lukin:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volap%C3%B ... nunciation> sina pilin e seme?>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>
John E Clifford

Re: Re: toki Olapu en toki pona

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ken a! taso mute la ala. The 'l' for 'r' (and conversely) is pretty commonacross the board (roshi from Laozi, labor from wrq and so on); but jan Sonja isan Esperantist and may (more or less therefore) know some Volapu"k.taso toki Olapu li tan ala e sona sina. tan sina li lipu Wikipsija. sina kamaala kama sona e wan lili pi toki Olapu? mi muyte li wile e nimi ps sama pi nimiInli 'about'. tenpo ni taso la nimi 'tan' li pona ala tawa mi. mi mute li wile eseme?nimi 'utala' li sona sama e nimi Inli 'strike' ... (Hopeless) Seems to me be toophysical for this sense of 'strike' (but then, 'strike' doesn't?). Maybe ametaphorical extension of something like 'kama lukin' works? Or some othersuggestions?________________________________From: jan_sewe <serge.g@laposte.net>To: tokipona@yahoogroups.comSent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 8:44:49 AMSubject: [tokipona] Re: toki Olapu en toki pona--- In tokipona@yahoogroup s.com, John E Clifford <kali9putra@ ...> wrote:>> tan seme la sina kepeken e nimi 'tan' tawa nimi Inli 'about'?I used 'tan' to indicate that Volapük was just a *source* of knowledge, in orderto avoid 'mi kama sona e toki Olapu' which would have been false, or even 'mikama sona lili e toki Olapu', but maybe this is what I should have writtenanyway.> sama la sina kepeken e nimi 'utala' tawa seme: ken la nimi Inli 'surprise.'Of course it's the *strike* meaning of utala I'm using here!> toki sina li musi mute tawa mi. pona!pona mute!However, I can't help thinking that Tokiponization has something to do whithVolapukization. .. anu ala? :)mi tawa.>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> From: jan_sewe <serge.g@... >> To: tokipona@yahoogroup s.com> Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 7:52:54 AM> Subject: [tokipona] toki Olapu en toki pona>>>>>> tenpo pini lili la mi kama sona tan toki Olapu kepeken lipu Wiki en lipu ante.nimi "Volapük" li kama tan toki Inli "World Speech" li wile toki e ni: toki pijan ali. toki Olapu li toki pini nanpa wan tawa jan ali. toki Epelanto li nanpatu taso.>> ijo wan li utala e mi: nasin nimi pi toki Olapu li sama nasin nimi pi tokipona. sama toki pona la, ona li jo ala e sitelen R li kepeken e sitelen L tawakalama ni.>> o lukin:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volap%C3%B ... nunciation> sina pilin e seme?>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
jan_sewe

Re: toki Olapu en toki pona

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--- In tokipona@yahoogroups.com, John E Clifford <kali9putra@...> wrote:>> ken a! taso mute la ala. The 'l' for 'r' (and conversely) is pretty commonacross the board (roshi from Laozi, labor from wrq and so on); but jan Sonja isan Esperantist and may (more or less therefore) know some Volapu"k.>> taso toki Olapu li tan ala e sona sina. tan sina li lipu Wikipsija. sina kamaala kama sona e wan lili pi toki Olapu? mi muyte li wile e nimi ps sama pi nimiInli 'about'. tenpo ni taso la nimi 'tan' li pona ala tawa mi. mi mute li wile eseme?> nimi 'utala' li sona sama e nimi Inli 'strike' ... (Hopeless) Seems to me betoo physical for this sense of 'strike' (but then, 'strike' doesn't?). Maybe ametaphorical extension of something like 'kama lukin' works? Or some othersuggestions?>I'm afraid there's no proper TP translation of 'about'. But it seems possible todo without it:mi kama sona e ijo lili pi toki X tan lipu Wikipesija.I think I'll stick to my metaphorical use of utala because I like it.
John E Clifford

Re: Re: toki Olapu en toki pona

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pona a!________________________________From: jan_sewe <serge.g@laposte.net>To: tokipona@yahoogroups.comSent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 11:27:39 AMSubject: [tokipona] Re: toki Olapu en toki pona--- In tokipona@yahoogroup s.com, John E Clifford <kali9putra@ ...> wrote:>> ken a! taso mute la ala. The 'l' for 'r' (and conversely) is pretty commonacross the board (roshi from Laozi, labor from wrq and so on); but jan Sonja isan Esperantist and may (more or less therefore) know some Volapu"k.>> taso toki Olapu li tan ala e sona sina. tan sina li lipu Wikipsija. sina kamaala kama sona e wan lili pi toki Olapu? mi muyte li wile e nimi ps sama pi nimiInli 'about'. tenpo ni taso la nimi 'tan' li pona ala tawa mi. mi mute li wile eseme?> nimi 'utala' li sona sama e nimi Inli 'strike' ... (Hopeless) Seems to me betoo physical for this sense of 'strike' (but then, 'strike' doesn't?). Maybe ametaphorical extension of something like 'kama lukin' works? Or some othersuggestions?>I'm afraid there's no proper TP translation of 'about'. But it seems possible todo without it:mi kama sona e ijo lili pi toki X tan lipu Wikipesija.I think I'll stick to my metaphorical use of utala because I like it.[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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