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lordcaml

toki ni li meli lili pi toki pona

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tenpo suno tu la mi kama lukin e toki "Pon Wen." ona li kama tan toki pona. tasoona li jo e nimi mute. mi pilin e ni: ona li pona tawa sina. mi toki e toki ponakin. taso toki ante ni li pona kin.http://www.freewebs.com/bonwen/
Tyler Eldredge

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pona! mi olin e toki Pon Wen, taso mi pilin e ni: toki pona li ike e toki insa.mi pilin e Epelanto anu Polapuki li toki insa pona. (mi wile toki "I thinkesperanto or volapük are good world languages")-TylerTo: tokipona@yahoogroups.comFrom: lordcaml@yahoo.comDate: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:03:00 +0000Subject: [tokipona] toki ni li meli lili pi toki pona tenpo suno tu la mi kama lukin e toki "Pon Wen." ona li kama tan tokipona. taso ona li jo e nimi mute. mi pilin e ni: ona li pona tawa sina. mi tokie toki pona kin. taso toki ante ni li pona kin.http://www.freewebs.com/bonwen/________ ... __Hotmail® has a new way to see what's up with your friends.http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail ... ew1_052009[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
John E Clifford

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ken la "toki Pon Wen li pona tawa mi" ( nimi 'olin' li wawa mute) tan nasin semela toki insa li kama ike tan toki pona? "mi wile toki e kulupu "Ithink...languages"" "mi pilin e ni: Epelanto anu Wolapuki (anu 'Wolapiki') litoki pona pi ma ali" sona a! "toki pona li ike tawa toki pi ma ali" kulupu"toki insa" li sona e toki Inli "soliloquy" "anu "subvocal discussion" anu ante.pona la jan ala li wile e ni: toki pona li toki pi ma ali. toki pona li toki pima lili.________________________________From: Tyler Eldredge <i_love_eire@hotmail.com>To: tokipona@yahoogroups.comSent: Monday, May 4, 2009 11:21:51 AMSubject: RE: [tokipona] toki ni li meli lili pi toki ponapona! mi olin e toki Pon Wen, taso mi pilin e ni: toki pona li ike e toki insa.mi pilin e Epelanto anu Polapuki li toki insa pona. (mi wile toki "I thinkesperanto or volapük are good world languages")-TylerTo: tokipona@yahoogroup s.comFrom: lordcaml@yahoo. comDate: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:03:00 +0000Subject: [tokipona] toki ni li meli lili pi toki ponatenpo suno tu la mi kama lukin e toki "Pon Wen." ona li kama tan toki pona. tasoona li jo e nimi mute. mi pilin e ni: ona li pona tawa sina. mi toki e toki ponakin. taso toki ante ni li pona kin.http://www.freewebs.com/bonwen/____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _Hotmail® has a new way to see what's up with your friends.http://windowslive. com/Tutorial/ Hotmail/WhatsNew ?ocid=TXT_ TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_ WhatsNew1_ 052009[Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Kevyn

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mi pilin mute e ni: nimi Polapuki anu Olapuki li pona tan ni: kalama 'wo' li iketawa toki pona. toki 'pona la' li ike mute mute tawa mi a! mi sona ala e nasin ona lon lipu pijan Pije. 'jan ala' li ike tawa toki pona. mi pilin mute e ni: jan Pije lon lipu ona litoki e ni: sina wile toki pi 'neniu/nobody' la ona li ken toki e 'ala.' No one can know Krishna.ala li ken sona lon (about, on, when dealing with a topic) jan sewi suli Kisina.________________________________From: John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>To: tokipona@yahoogroups.comSent: Monday, May 4, 2009 11:01:46 AMSubject: Re: [tokipona] toki ni li meli lili pi toki ponaken la "toki Pon Wen li pona tawa mi" ( nimi 'olin' li wawa mute) tan nasin semela toki insa li kama ike tan toki pona? "mi wile toki e kulupu "Ithink...languages" " "mi pilin e ni: Epelanto anu Wolapuki (anu 'Wolapiki') litoki pona pi ma ali" sona a! "toki pona li ike tawa toki pi ma ali" kulupu "tokiinsa" li sona e toki Inli "soliloquy" "anu "subvocal discussion" anu ante. ponala jan ala li wile e ni: toki pona li toki pi ma ali. toki pona li toki pi malili.____________ _________ _________ __From: Tyler Eldredge <i_love_eire@ hotmail.com>To: tokipona@yahoogroup s.comSent: Monday, May 4, 2009 11:21:51 AMSubject: RE: [tokipona] toki ni li meli lili pi toki ponapona! mi olin e toki Pon Wen, taso mi pilin e ni: toki pona li ike e toki insa.mi pilin e Epelanto anu Polapuki li toki insa pona. (mi wile toki "I thinkesperanto or volapük are good world languages")-TylerTo: tokipona@yahoogroup s.comFrom: lordcaml@yahoo. comDate: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:03:00 +0000Subject: [tokipona] toki ni li meli lili pi toki ponatenpo suno tu la mi kama lukin e toki "Pon Wen." ona li kama tan toki pona. tasoona li jo e nimi mute. mi pilin e ni: ona li pona tawa sina. mi toki e toki ponakin. taso toki ante ni li pona kin.http://www.freewebs .com/bonwen/____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _Hotmail® has a new way to see what's up with your friends.http://windowslive. com/Tutorial/ Hotmail/WhatsNew ?ocid=TXT_ TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_ WhatsNew1_ 052009[Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________________Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark yourfavourite sites. Download it nowhttp://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
jan_sewe

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--- In tokipona@yahoogroups.com, Kevyn <silverwings_88@...> wrote:>> toki 'pona la' li ike mute mute tawa mi a! mi sona ala e nasin ona lon lipu pijan Pije.>  ken la jan Pije li pali e toki sona pi pona mute... taso ona li jan pali ala pitoki pona. jan Sonja taso li ni.nimi tu 'pona la' li pona tawa mi. tenpo mute la mi toki sama ni:pona la (fortunately)ike la (unfortunately)sama la (similarly)ante la (otherwise, on the other hand...)nasa la (foolishly)and so on. I really think you should reconsider such a way to turn many wordsinto adverbs.
Kevyn

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o a! mi sona ala. taso nasin toki sina li ante li sin mute tawa mi a! toki pona mi li toki pona pitenpo pini. mi sona ala e toki pona sin a! mi sona e ni: nimi adverbo li lon monsi pi nimi pali (verbo) sama ' mi wile tokiike' li 'Mi volas malbone paroli.' taso ken la toki sina li kin pona tawa misama 'ike la mi wile toki.' taso mi pali e toki sin lon toki pona. mi kepeken e nimi 'pona' kiel verbo por'purigi.'Ekzemple, 'o pona e tomo lape sina!' 'Purigu vian dormoc'ambron!' mi kin kepeken e nimi 'selo' tawa pilin 'sekreto, kus'i, ekstere,' ktp.________________________________From: jan_sewe <serge.g@laposte.net>To: tokipona@yahoogroups.comSent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 11:41:23 AMSubject: [tokipona] Re: toki ni li meli lili pi toki pona--- In tokipona@yahoogroup s.com, Kevyn <silverwings_ 88@...> wrote:>> toki 'pona la' li ike mute mute tawa mi a! mi sona ala e nasin ona lon lipu pijan Pije.>  ken la jan Pije li pali e toki sona pi pona mute... taso ona li jan pali ala pitoki pona. jan Sonja taso li ni.nimi tu 'pona la' li pona tawa mi. tenpo mute la mi toki sama ni:pona la (fortunately)ike la (unfortunately)sama la (similarly)ante la (otherwise, on the other hand...)nasa la (foolishly)and so on. I really think you should reconsider such a way to turn many wordsinto adverbs.sina sona mute. mi sona lili mute a! :P __________________________________________________________________Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the bootwith the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mailtoday or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
jan_sewe

Re: toki ni li meli lili pi toki pona

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toki pona sina li pona li tan tenpo pini ala.sin la toki pona pi tenpo pini kin li tan monsi pi tenpo sike 2001... :)--- In tokipona@yahoogroups.com, Kevyn <silverwings_88@...> wrote:>> o a! mi sona ala.>  > taso nasin toki sina li ante li sin mute tawa mi a! toki pona mi li toki ponapi tenpo pini. mi sona ala e toki pona sin a!>  > mi sona e ni: nimi adverbo li lon monsi pi nimi pali (verbo) sama ' mi wiletoki ike' li 'Mi volas malbone paroli.' taso ken la toki sina li kin pona tawami sama 'ike la mi wile toki.'>  > taso mi pali e toki sin lon toki pona. mi kepeken e nimi 'pona' kiel verbo por'purigi.'> Ekzemple, 'o pona e tomo lape sina!' 'Purigu vian dormoc'ambron!'>  > mi kin kepeken e nimi 'selo' tawa pilin 'sekreto, kus'i, ekstere,' ktp.
John E Clifford

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The earliest 'pona la' is from before I started keeping records, so 2004 orearlier. 'ike la' and several similar are equally old.For clarity, 'tan ala tenpo pini' works better than with the 'ala' at the end,since then it could negate any number of things (well, four).Adverbs do go after verbs (insofar as that kind of talk makes sense: modifiersfollow modified, but there a 'adverbs' that modify the whole sentnence --temporal, attitudinal, causal, etc. and they go before, followed by 'la.' Thisis a case of attitudinal, indicating that the following fact is something thatat least the speaker considers a good thing.Not sure what 'kin' right after 'li' might mean. I suppose that the idea hereis that your talk also is OK -- along with mine, or perhaps, it is also OK,along with being different.'lon toki pona' is better 'kepeken toki pona' if you mean the language, ratherthan just good talking. 'pona' as a transitive verb (usual caveats)does mean'make pona' and probably clean or pure is part of the good.I'm not clear how 'selo' 'skin, shell, surface' might mean 'secret' (it seems tobe the opposite) or 'lying down' (but I am not sure what else might work; 'supa'has been used thus). It does seem to work for 'outside,' however,' presumablywith 'lon' (and 'insa ala' has also been used).________________________________From: jan_sewe <serge.g@laposte.net>To: tokipona@yahoogroups.comSent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 2:29:45 PMSubject: [tokipona] Re: toki ni li meli lili pi toki ponatoki pona sina li pona li tan tenpo pini ala.sin la toki pona pi tenpo pini kin li tan monsi pi tenpo sike 2001... :)--- In tokipona@yahoogroup s.com, Kevyn <silverwings_ 88@...> wrote:>> o a! mi sona ala.>> taso nasin toki sina li ante li sin mute tawa mi a! toki pona mi li toki ponapi tenpo pini. mi sona ala e toki pona sin a!>> mi sona e ni: nimi adverbo li lon monsi pi nimi pali (verbo) sama ' mi wiletoki ike' li 'Mi volas malbone paroli.' taso ken la toki sina li kin pona tawami sama 'ike la mi wile toki.'>> taso mi pali e toki sin lon toki pona. mi kepeken e nimi 'pona' kiel verbo por'purigi.'> Ekzemple, 'o pona e tomo lape sina!' 'Purigu vian dormoc'ambron! '>> mi kin kepeken e nimi 'selo' tawa pilin 'sekreto, kus'i, ekstere,' ktp.[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
John E Clifford

Re: toki ni li meli lili pi toki pona

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pakala a! ni li lon: kulupu kalama 'wo' li lon ala toki pona . ni li pona alatawa mi. taso lawa li lawa. jan Pije li lawa pini pi toki pona. taso ona likepeken e kulupu 'pona la'. nimi 'ala' taso li sona e nimi Inli 'nothing'. miwile toki wawa e ni: jan li wile ala.________________________________From: Kevyn <silverwings_88@yahoo.com>To: tokipona@yahoogroups.comSent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 12:31:37 AMSubject: Re: [tokipona] toki ni li meli lili pi toki ponami pilin mute e ni: nimi Polapuki anu Olapuki li pona tan ni: kalama 'wo' li iketawa toki pona.toki 'pona la' li ike mute mute tawa mi a! mi sona ala e nasin ona lon lipu pijan Pije.'jan ala' li ike tawa toki pona. mi pilin mute e ni: jan Pije lon lipu ona litoki e ni: sina wile toki pi 'neniu/nobody' la ona li ken toki e 'ala.'No one can know Krishna.ala li ken sona lon (about, on, when dealing with a topic) jan sewi suli Kisina.____________ _________ _________ __From: John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo. com>To: tokipona@yahoogroup s.comSent: Monday, May 4, 2009 11:01:46 AMSubject: Re: [tokipona] toki ni li meli lili pi toki ponaken la "toki Pon Wen li pona tawa mi" ( nimi 'olin' li wawa mute) tan nasin semela toki insa li kama ike tan toki pona? "mi wile toki e kulupu "Ithink...languages" " "mi pilin e ni: Epelanto anu Wolapuki (anu 'Wolapiki') litoki pona pi ma ali" sona a! "toki pona li ike tawa toki pi ma ali" kulupu "tokiinsa" li sona e toki Inli "soliloquy" "anu "subvocal discussion" anu ante. ponala jan ala li wile e ni: toki pona li toki pi ma ali. toki pona li toki pi malili.____________ _________ _________ __From: Tyler Eldredge <i_love_eire@ hotmail.com>To: tokipona@yahoogroup s.comSent: Monday, May 4, 2009 11:21:51 AMSubject: RE: [tokipona] toki ni li meli lili pi toki ponapona! mi olin e toki Pon Wen, taso mi pilin e ni: toki pona li ike e toki insa.mi pilin e Epelanto anu Polapuki li toki insa pona. (mi wile toki "I thinkesperanto or volapük are good world languages")-TylerTo: tokipona@yahoogroup s.comFrom: lordcaml@yahoo. comDate: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:03:00 +0000Subject: [tokipona] toki ni li meli lili pi toki ponatenpo suno tu la mi kama lukin e toki "Pon Wen." ona li kama tan toki pona. tasoona li jo e nimi mute. mi pilin e ni: ona li pona tawa sina. mi toki e toki ponakin. taso toki ante ni li pona kin.http://www.freewebs .com/bonwen/____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _Hotmail® has a new way to see what's up with your friends.http://windowslive. com/Tutorial/ Hotmail/WhatsNew ?ocid=TXT_ TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_ WhatsNew1_ 052009[Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed]____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark yourfavourite sites. Download it nowhttp://ca.toolbar. yahoo.com.[Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Jim Henry

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On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:03 PM, lordcaml <lordcaml@yahoo.com> wrote:> tenpo suno tu la mi kama lukin e toki "Pon Wen." ona li kama tan toki pona.taso ona li jo e nimi mute. mi pilin e ni: ona li pona tawa sina. mi toki e tokipona kin. taso toki ante ni li pona kin.>> http://www.freewebs.com/bonwen/I'm curious about your motivation for the particularway you've reduced Toki Pona's phoneme inventory.It looks like you've dropped /s/, /u/, and /i/. If I weregoing to reduce TP's phoneme inventory evenfurther, I would not drop the only fricative, but oneof the phonemes in a category where TP hastwo or three already: /t/ or /m/ or /w/ perhaps.And for maximal contrast of a three-vowel system,I'd make the prototypical values /i a u/ rather than/e a o/.Your website doesn't as far as I can tell say anythingabout Bon Wen phonotactics; I infer from the wordforms I see used that it's basically the same asToki Pona's, right?The grammar isn't thoroughly described yet, butI like what I see so far and would like to see moreof it eventually.--Jim Henryhttp://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/
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