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First time here. A couple questions...

Postby Jethro » Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:41 pm


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Re: First time here. A couple questions...

Postby jan_Lope » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:42 am

toki!

All official Toki Pona words are written in lower case - even at the beginning of the sentence.
After "pi" you have to write at least two words (a noun and an adjective or a pronoun and adjective).
The conjunction "en" connects nouns and pronouns only.
Maybe the verb "kasi" (to grow) is better than "kama".
You can use the transitive verb "lupa" (to pierce).

tenpo pini suli la lawa tomo li pakala. tenpo pini suli kin la kasi li kasi, lon tomo li lupa e lawa tomo.


I'm also wondering about this too ;-) Maybe it should be:

sina wile moku, lon poka jan "Alfred" anu lukin e sitelen tawa, lon poka mi?

Chaining "la" phrases are possible. But for me more than two "la" phrases are not good Toki Pona style.

ken la tenpo kama la ... is ofen use for "Maybe in the future ...".


Please see these lessons:
https://jan-lope.github.io/Toki_Pona_lessons_English/

For spell and grammar check you can use the Toki Pona Parser
https://jan-lope.github.io/Toki_Pona-Parser/
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Re: First time here. A couple questions...

Postby janKipo » Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:47 am

Always a pleasant surprise to find myself agreeing with most of Lope’s remarks. Just a few modifications from community usage as opposed to Lope’s rather stringent requirements.
‘pi’ sets off any multi-word odifier, not just those composed o a noun+adjective (in partiular, prepositional phrases get ‘pi’ when serving as modifiers).
‘en can go just about anywhere, though not between sentences, oddly. Between predicates and direct objects it is usually not used, in favor of repeated ‘li’ and repeated ‘e’.
‘kasi’ “to grow” is not common; ‘kasi’ seems usually to mean “to plant”. ‘kama suli’ or even just ‘suli’ seems to be common for “grow”.
‘lupa’ is good, though it hasn’t been used much.
‘kepeken’ is “with” in the sense of “use as a tool”, so picture using Alfred to shovel in food, like a fork. The community is divided on the “with” of accompaniment. Some use ‘lon poka” but notice that ‘poka’ is a noun here, so what seems to be the object of the preposition is actually a modifier of ‘poka’ (the actual object of the preposition) so, ‘lon poka pi jan “Alfred”’ (community doesn’t use the foreign quotes much, either). The rest of the community uses ‘poka’ alone as a preposition, so ‘poka jan Alfred’
Chains of ‘la’s of any length are grammatical. They tend to group right (leftmost member modifies all the ones that follow). But too many of them is bad style (just where the line comes dends on the situation, but usually there is a better way to deal with something that takes, say, four or more). In your case, I don’t see a good dodge, except to be a bit more assertive than the two tentative markers at the beginning.

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Re: First time here. A couple questions...

Postby Jethro » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:35 am


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Re: First time here. A couple questions...

Postby jan_Lope » Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:43 pm

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Re: First time here. A couple questions...

Postby janKipo » Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:37 pm

Sorry I missed the ‘pi tomo’ (wrong as Lope says).
‘anu’ sems exempt from all the restrictions there are on ‘en’. I don’t know why; all the practical reasons seem to apply to ‘anu’ as well (I tend to ignore the restrictions on ‘en’ except the one between sentences, but even that gets an occasional nudge.)
Generally, Lope has hit all the points.

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Re: First time here. A couple questions...

Postby Jethro » Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:37 am

I think I see it now: 'kasi li kasi, lon tomo' is one predicate, linked by the following 'li'. Is this correct?

I was reading it as: '...kasi li kasi [end of phrase, new subject] lon tomo li lupa e lawa tomo.', which certainly seems wrong now.

Thanks for all the help! I can already feel I'm going to love finding more rules to break - watch this space ;)

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Re: First time here. A couple questions...

Postby jan_Lope » Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:10 am

pona!
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Re: First time here. A couple questions...

Postby janTepanNetaPelin » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:47 pm

https://github.com/stefichjo/toki-pona (mi sitelen e lipu ni pi toki pona)
mi jan Tepan. mi pu. mi weka e jan nasa Kipo e jan nasa Lope.

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Re: First time here. A couple questions...

Postby jan_Lope » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:36 am

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