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nlc11
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toki!
mi jan nlc11
tenpo pini lili la mi kama sona toki pona. taso mi pona ala e toki pona.
mi sona ala e ni: mi toki e seme. tenpo kama lili la mi lukin e seme. mi tawa!
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kama pona tawa toki pona.
Problems with using question forms with 'sona', the "what you say" is not an interrogative "what" in English either. so 'mi sona ala e toki mi'
'kama sona e toki pona' (direct object ' here, what is known -- requires 'e')
"But I don't improve toki pona"? 'sona'? some other verb?
What will I see in a little while?" ?
'nic11' is obviously not a tp name, so 'mi jan "nic11"'
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jan "Nlc11" o, toki!
sina kama sona e toki pona. pona!
mi pona e sitelen sina.
nlc11 wrote:toki!
mi jan "Nlc11".
tenpo pini lili la mi kama sona e toki pona. taso mi pona ala e toki pona.
mi sona ala e nimi "seme". tenpo kama lili la mi lukin e nimi "seme". mi tawa!
ken la lipu mi li pona tawa sina:
http://rowa.giso.de/languages/toki-pona ... essons.php

nimi "seme"
http://rowa.giso.de/languages/toki-pona ... 0000000000

pona!
pona!
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Re: toki!

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Problems with using question forms with 'sona', the "what you say" is not an interrogative "what" in English either. so 'mi sona ala e toki mi'
'kama sona e toki pona' (direct object ' here, what is known -- requires 'e')
"But I don't improve toki pona"? 'sona'? some other verb?
What will I see in a little while?" ?
jan Kipo o toki!
Thanks for the reply. My tp isn't good enough to say this, so switching to English.
I was trying to say that I recently learned tp, but I'm still not very good (obviously). I don't really know what to say (on the forums). Goodbye.
Thanks for the feedback. I never quite know when to use 'e' or not. I shall drop into the learn toki pona section soon.
toki!
mi jan "Nlc11".
tenpo pini lili la mi kama sona e toki pona. taso mi pona ala e toki pona.
mi sona ala e nimi "seme". tenpo kama lili la mi lukin e nimi "seme". mi tawa!
jan Lope o toki!
Thanks for the corrections, I need them it seems!
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'tenpo lili pini la mi kama sona e toki pona. taso mi toki pi pona ala kepken toki pona. mi sona ala e toki ni: mi wile toki e ni lon lipu ni. mi tawa.'
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Re: toki!

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nlc11 wrote: jan Lope o toki!
Thanks for the corrections, I need them it seems!
jan "Nlc11" o, toki!

Here an important note. A common error is the misuse of "pi". As you can see in the Toki Pona lessons "pi" is used for compound nouns. Some people who don't read the lessons carefully use "pi" for other words than noun. This is very confusing because "pi" mark a noun.

Please see my lessons but you can see it other lessons too.
http://rowa.giso.de/languages/toki-pona ... 0000000000
pona!
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Well, no. Although Lope regularly insists on this in his grammar, his examples contradict it (he gets by by calling adjectives and verbs nouns in the process). 'pi' just groups substrings within a string of modifiers. To be sure, some of Lope's restrictions are good stylistic advice, but without real grammatical support (outside his grammar at least).
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Re: toki!

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jan_Lope wrote:Please see my lessons but you can see it other lessons too.
http://rowa.giso.de/languages/toki-pona ... 0000000000
My favorite source: Sonja Lang, "Toki Pona", page 44:
The particle pi is used to divide a second noun group that describes a first noun group.

jan pi pona mute
a person of much good

mije pi sona lili
a man of little knowledge
https://github.com/stefichjo/toki-pona (mi sitelen e lipu ni pi toki pona)
mi jan Tepan. mi pu. mi weka e jan nasa Kipo e jan nasa Lope.
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As I said, .... (Tepan is Lope's most vocal follower)
As opposed to a very good person (said how, by the way?) or a slightly smart person. and jan pi alasa waso is a person of a birdly hunt, not a person who hunts birds? The rule is fine; the way of expressing it execrable.
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Re: toki!

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janTepanNetaPelin wrote: My favorite source: Sonja Lang, "Toki Pona", page 44:
The particle pi is used to divide a second noun group that describes a first noun group.
jan "TepanNetaPelin" o, toki!

You are right. But this basic Toki Pona rule is described in all important lessons. For example:

http://tokipona.net/tp/janpije/okamasona11.php
http://tokipona.info/Lecionoj/38
http://www.albanocruz.com/ext/tokipona/ ... kipona.pdf
http://vicerveza.homeunix.net/~viric/tokipona/
https://ru.wikibooks.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D0 ... D%D0%B0/pi
...
pona!
jan Lope
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(Lessons and the Toki Pona Parser - A tool for spelling, grammar check and ambiguity check of Toki Pona)

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