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Big Gus and Little Gus / jan Kasa suli en jan Kasa lili

Postby janWesaSila » Mon Mar 02, 2015 12:20 am

toki! :)

As a way of practicing, I decided to translate a funny old book from my kids' shelf. I'm pretty new to this and I'm sure there are ambiguities, errors, and weird turns of phrase -- so if anyone wants to try reading it and tell me what could be improved, that would be wonderful!

I've divided it into sections just to make it easier to refer to specific parts.

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jan Kasa suli en jan Kasa lili
tan jan Li Lolen anu 'Lee Lorenz'



KIPISI NANPA WAN

tenpo pini la, jan pona tu li lon. ona li jan Kasa suli li jan Kasa lili. jan Kasa lili li jan wile li jo e pilin mute tawa ni: kama jo e mani mute. jan Kasa suli li suli taso.

tenpo suno wan la, jan Kasa lili li toki tawa jan pona ona pi ni: ona mute li wile tawa ma li kama jo e mani.

ona mute li tawa lili la, li lukin e tomo pakala lili. jan Kasa lili li toki e, 'mi mute o awen lon ni. mi wile lape.'

jan Kasa suli li toki e, 'pona.' ona li wile ala lape, telo, jan Kasa lili li toki e ali la, jan Kasa suli li wan.

jan Kasa lili li lukin e tomo insa. ona li toki e, 'ni li pona mute. mi ken pali lon ni e nasin mi. sina ken tawa li pali li kama jo e mani lili.'

jan Kasa suli li toki e, 'sina toki e ni la.'

'sina kama jo e mani la, o pana e ona lon insa len pi noka anpa tawa ni: sina weka ala e ona.'

jan Kasa suli li toki e, 'mi pilin weka ala.'



KIPISI NANPA TU

tenpo suno kama li tenpo suno nanpa wan. jan Kasa suli li tawa ma moku li kama jo e pali pi ni: li alasa e kili. pali li pini la, jan pi ma moku li pana tawa jan Kasa suli e mani ala, taso ni: mute pi kili loje pona.

jan Kasa suli li awen pilin e toki pi jan Kasa lili. ona li pana e kili lon insa len pi noka anpa. pana pi noka anpa li ike, taso li ken. jan Kasa suli li open tawa tomo.

jan Kasa suli li tawa wawa ala, taso ona li kama tomo la, len ona pi noka anpa li jo e mute pi ko kili.

jan Kasa lili li toki e, 'a, mi mute li ken ala moku e ni. tenpo suno ni ali la, mi pali wawa. taso nasa sina kama ni: mi mute li jo e ala tawa moku taso pan tan tomo. tenpo kama la, o pana e ijo mani lon poki len sina.'

jan Kasa suli li toki e, 'mi pana.' ona li len tawa lape.



KIPISI NANPA TU WAN

tenpo suno sin nanpa tu la, jan Kasa suli li kama jo e pali pi ni: li kama jo e telo mama tan soweli. tenpo suno pini la, jan pi ma moku li pana tawa ona e poki suli pi telo mama.

jan Kasa suli li awen pilin e toki pi jan Kasa lili. ona li open e poki len li pana e telo mama lon insa.

jan Kasa suli tawa wawa tomo, taso, li kama e tomo la, telo mama ali li weka.

jan Kasa lili li toki e, 'o lukin e sina! sina sona ala sona e ni: li ken ala jo e telo mama lon poki len sina! sina wile jo tawa e poki pi telo mama lon lawa sewi sina.'

jan Kasa suli li toki e, 'mi pakala. tenpo kama la, mi wile kin ni.'



KIPISI NANPA TU TU

tenpo suno sin nanpa tu wan la, jan Kasa suli li tawa ma tomo li kama jo e pali lon tomo pan. tenpo suno sin ali la, ona li pali lon ilo seli li pali e moku pan suwi pona.

ona li pilin e, 'jan Kasa lili li kama jo e mute lili ni la, li kama pilin pona.'

taso, tenpo mani la, ali pi pan suwi lon tomo pan e awen. kama ni, jan pi tomo pan li tawa poki moku suli li lukin e sike moku pi mama telo kiwen. ona li mani e ni tawa jan Kasa suli.

toki pi jan Kasa lili tan ni: jan Kasa suli li pana e sike moku lon lawa ona. taso, suno li awen lon sewi kin. ona li tawa la, sike moku li open kama e ko seli.

jan Kasa lili li toki e, 'sike moku pona! sina pakala e ona! sina ken ala jo tawa e sike moku lon lawa sina. sina wile tawa sike e ona lon anpa tawa tomo.'

jan Kasa suli li toki e, 'mi pakala. tenpo kama la, mi wile kin ni.'

tempo sin la, ona mute li tawa supa lape li jo moku e pan lili taso.



KIPISI NANPA LUKA

tenpo suno tu tu ali la, jan Kasa suli li pali tawa jan pi soweli moku. jan li mani tawa ona e noka soweli pona pi kon seli.

jan Kasa suli li pilin e, 'tenpo ni la, mi pali pona.' ona li tawa sike e noka soweli lon anpa tawa tomo.

jan Kasa suli li kama e tomo la, jan Kasa lili li anpa monsi lon lupa tomo li pali e sitelen toki. jan Kasa suli li lukin tawa ona e noka soweli. taso, tenpo ni la, noka soweli li taso palisa sijelo jaki suli.

jan Kasa lili toki e, 'sina lawa nasa kin ken seme?' ona li tu e pan pini. 'tawa sike e noka soweli lon ko anpa! sina wile jo tawa e ona lon sewi luka sina.'

jan Kasa suli toki e, 'tenpo suno kama la, mi wile pakala ala.'



KIPISI NANPA LUKA WAN

tenpo suno kama li tenpo suno tu tu wan. tenpo ni la, jan Kasa suli wile kin pali pona. jan pi kiwen pali li esun e pali tan ona. tenpo suno ali la, jan Kasa suli li pali wawa li pana e kiwen lon anpa pi noka soweli. jan pi kiwen pali li pana tawa ona e soweli pali pona kin tan mani.

jan Kasa suli li pilin e, 'jan Kasa lili li toki e "o jo tawa e ona lon lewi luka sina."' ona li pana kon suli, li pali sewi e soweli pali tawa sewi luka ona, li tawa tomo.



KIPISI NANPA LUKA TU

tenpo ni la, nasin tomo la, jan Kasa suli li tawa poka tomo pi mije pi mani mute. jan ni li mama tawa meli pi toki ala. jan pi pona sijelo li toki e ni: meli li toki ala tawa ni: jan li kama tawa meli e kon musi.

meli li tawa lon ma kasi poka mama ona la, jan Kasa suli li kama pi tawa nasa li jo e sijelo pali lon monsi ona. meli li lukin e ona la, meli li open wawa e kon musi. ona li kon musi wawa kin tawa ni: telo oko li anpa lon sinpin lawa ona.

ona li toki e, 'a, mama! jan musi kin! o toki tawa ona tawa ni: o awen poka mi mute tan ni: tenpo ali la, mi ken kon musi.'

mije pi mani mute li pilin pona mute tan kute e toki meli. ona toki e, 'pona sewi li lon!', li tawa wawa jan Kasa suli. 'jan mije o! sina pana e kon musi tawa mi mute, li kama meli mi tawa toki. sina wile kama li awen poka mi mute?'

jan Kasa suli toki e, 'ni li pona mute, taso, mi wile toki tawa jan pona mi. tenpo ni la, ona li awen tawa mi en soweli pali mi.'

mije li wile awen ala, li toki e, 'jan pona sina li ken awen poka mi mute kin. o tawa wawa li toki tawa ona.'



KIPISI NANPA LUKA TU WAN

jan Kasa suli li tawa kepeken wawa ali pi ken jan pi soweli lon monsi ona. tenpo lawa pi jan Kasa lili li ken toki e nimi la, jan Kasa suli toki tawa ona e ijo mije pi mani mute e ijo meli.

'ona li wile e ni: sina kama awen poka lon ni kin. mi mute li wile seme?'

jan Kasa lili toki e, 'aaa. ken la, ona li ken kepeken e jan pi sama mi tawa ni: nasin e ijo ona e pali ona.'

kama la, ona li sewi wawa tan supa len li tawa tomo mije pi mani mute. ona li tawa wawa kin tawa ni: jan Kasa suli li ken ike tawa wawa sama.

tenpo suno kama la, ona mute li kama awen. tenpo la, jan Kasa suli en meli pi mama mani li kama pilin pona kin li wan.

kama la, sike suno mute la, jan Kasa lili li pali awen e nasin ona la, ona mute li pilin pona li lon sama -- mije pi mani mute, en jan Kasa lili, en jan Kasa suli, en meli pi jan Kasa suli, en kama ni: jan Kasa lili sin.



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Postby janKipo » Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:34 pm

This is very nice. It avoids a lot of traps and takes care of some others very elegantly. It also raises a bunch of questions that we have missed dealing with only a few sentences at a time.

<<jan Kasa suli en jan Kasa lili
tan jan Li Lolen anu 'Lee Lorenz'>>

Probably “foreign quotes: “Lee Lorenz”

<<KIPISI NANPA WAN

tenpo pini la, jan pona tu li lon. ona li jan Kasa suli li jan Kasa lili. jan Kasa lili li jan wile li jo e pilin mute tawa ni: kama jo e mani mute. jan Kasa suli li suli taso.>>

Probably not 'li' but 'en', since it doesn't divide into two sentences. Or say 'wan (ona) li jan … ante (ona) li …' (or
maybe 'ona wan'. Maybe just 'pilin mute e ni”' but need a full sentence after that 'ona li kama …' Also probably
“thought about” so 'pilin e ijo ni:'

<<tenpo suno wan la, jan Kasa lili li toki tawa jan pona ona pi ni: ona mute li wile tawa ma li kama jo e mani.>>

Prepositional phrases go at the end, so 'toki e ni tawa jan pona'. No three of them, so just 'ona tu', if you need to mark plurality (which you don't).
The next bit is a puzzled, since I think 'kama jo' is meant to be under 'wile'. Three solutions: easy 1) insert 'wile' after second 'li'; more complex 2)
change second 'li' to 'tawa ni: ona …'; innovation 3) figure out a rule for two verb phrases attaching to a single modal. I think this is just use 'en in
place of 'li'. This still allows for ambiguities, but is less misleading that 'li', which indicates a new main verb. I think 2 is the best solution.

<<ona mute li tawa lili la, li lukin e tomo pakala lili. jan Kasa lili li toki e, 'mi mute o awen lon ni. mi wile lape.'>>

'la ona li' (need full sentence)(commas are optional, by the way) Strictly need 'nimi' (or some such) before the quote (which is a name), but practice
has already dropped it. 'mi tu', but don't even need the 'tu' (though the contrast occurs immediately)

<<jan Kasa suli li toki e, 'pona.' ona li wile ala lape, telo, jan Kasa lili li toki e ali la, jan Kasa suli li wan.>>

'taso' for 'telo'. Prob stop at 'toki'; I'm not sure 'ali' works as “anything” (English is weird), so skip or
maybe use 'nimi' or 'toki'. 'wan' is nice for “agree”, 'pilin sama' misses the point.

<<jan Kasa lili li lukin e tomo insa. ona li toki e, 'ni li pona mute. mi ken pali lon ni e nasin mi. sina ken tawa li pali li kama jo e mani lili.'>>

'insa tomo' 'lon ni' goes at the end. 'nasin' = “plan, scheme”? Nice. I suspect those “and”s are purposive “go
to work to get money”

<<jan Kasa suli li toki e, 'sina toki e ni la.'>>

This feels untpish, but I don't know what to do for it.

'<<sina kama jo e mani la, o pana e ona lon insa len pi noka anpa tawa ni: sina weka ala e ona.'>>

'lon insa pi len noka' ('anpa' is redundant) could even make this the main verb in place of 'pana'.

<<jan Kasa suli li toki e, 'mi pilin weka ala.'>>

“I don't feel distant” doesn't fit. “I won't lose/get rid of it”? 'mi weka ala e ona'. Maybe “I won't forget” 'mi
weka ala e pilin/toki ni'

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Re: Big Gus and Little Gus / jan Kasa suli en jan Kasa lili

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