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LIPU LI LON!

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LIPU LI LON!

Postby jan_Anti » Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:06 am

jan Sonja li pini e lipu pi toki pona.

jan suli mute pi tan kulupu pi toki pona li lukin li pona e ona. sina pilin e seme? sina kama ala kama jo e lipu?

As for myself, I'm really happy that the tp community finally has a truly canonical source to refer to. Some interesting observations from looking at the preview on Amazon:

mi o moku e ijo pona. I should eat good things. Here, o is used in the first person in a manner similar to the jussive -u in Esperanto. I found two examples in Pije with mi mute o where it was translated as let's, but I don't think I've seen singular mi o before.

jan sona pi toki pona li pu lon tenpo mute. The scholar of Toki Pona consults the official book many times.
mama mije li pu mute. Fathers use the Toki Pona book a lot.
So apparently pu is a thing now, and it just means consult the Toki Pona book :? That's kind of random, and a bit disappointing IMO.

Also, luka is officially a number again (5)! mute now is the numeral for 20 and ale means 100. (Yeah, it seems that ali was made obsolete.)

mi toki lon toki pona. I speak in Toki Pona. Not kepeken!

toki nanpa wan. First language. No pi!

Only three pages each for pi and la seems a bit too superficial IMO, but I'm hoping that the questions that are not answered directly in the grammar sections can be inferred indirectly from the provided texts.

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Re: LIPU LI LON!

Postby janKipo » Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:08 pm

I haven't got my copy of the final form yet and don't remember how it went in the draft version, but the contrast between 'mi o moku', an imperative addressed to oneself, and 'o mi moku', an optative or some such, "I hope I'll eat" is nice.
I don't care for the additional ambiguities added by doubling the meanings of 'mute' and 'ale/i'. They don't solve the large-number problem, either.
I think that the weight of the corpus for 'kepeken' may outweigh the prescription for 'lon' , but, if not, it is a relatively easy correction to make, So far as I can remember, tthe concurrent question of talking about something doesn't have an answer in the book. Nor do a number of other questions, alas.
But this is a very welcome introductory book.

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Re: LIPU LI LON!

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Re: LIPU LI LON!

Postby janMato » Wed Jun 11, 2014 7:41 pm

I ordered mine from amazon.

S o VP is a useful new grammar thing. I'll have to think a bit about applications.

I forecast that pu will broaden it's semantic range. Every word in toki pona has broadened it's range from fill lexical gaps.

toki (pi) nanpa wan looks like a mistake. I hope it isn't explain Mark Okrend style where every canonical mistake is justified with a new, sometimes convoluted rule.

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Re: LIPU LI LON!

Postby janSilipu » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:17 pm

No 'pi' with 'nanpa' followed by numbers is pretty well-established as a generalization of the fact that a string of numbers as a modifier does not take 'pi'. There have been comments on this several times on the forums and Facebook (usually with answering objections). The earliest specimens were back in the old corpus.

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Re: LIPU LI LON!

Postby janSilipu » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:22 pm

S o VP is the old standard, short for S o o VP (obligatory I think, unless a comma intervenes) . Using 'mi' for S is novel but useful for the self-help sorts. The S is not rally the subject but a vocative.

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Re: LIPU LI LON!

Postby Kuti » Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:56 am

the table of contents shows that there are many pages about religious texts. I'm hugely and deeply disappointed by this. Not worth getting this book.

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Re: LIPU LI LON!

Postby janSilipu » Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:32 pm

Not optimal showpieces for tp, perhaps, but interesting to see how it works in different area, far from the original Daoism. So, buy it for Sonja's tp, whatever the topic.

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Re: LIPU LI LON!

Postby Kuti » Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:49 pm

i won't give money to an islamic publisher

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Re: LIPU LI LON!

Postby janSilipu » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:03 pm

Who is the publisher here? I don't know nor that they are Muslim (or do you mean one that publishes anything about Islam or by Muslims, which would knock out most publishers?). I gather that Sonja is currently Muslim, if that affects your participation in tp.


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