Modifiers of an en phrase valid?

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janMato
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Modifiers of an en phrase valid?

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ni li musi kin. toki lili ale li musi tawa mi. nasin nimi li ante tan nasin nimi pi toki pona. taso nanpa en poki nimi li sama toki pona.
Is the bold part valid? nanpa nimi en poki nimi is more conservative but dropping the 1st nimi doesn't hurt ineligibility and is just more wordy.
janKipo
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Re: Modifiers of an en phrase valid?

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Hmmmm. I can't remember how that plays out in my grammar -- not that that answers the question -- but it looks right to me.
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pona! taso mi wile sona e ni: sina wile ante la sina sitelen seme?

taso nanpa en poki pi nimi li sama toki pona
anu/en
taso nanpa en pi poki nimi li sama toki pona?
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Re: Modifiers of an en phrase valid?

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kin la toki Tosi en toki Inli li ike sama toki pona.

mi sitelen e ni: »Aber der Numerus und die Stellung des Wortes gleichen Tokipona.» la mi sona e ala.

taso mi ken sitelen e ni:
»Aber der Numerus und die Wortstellung gleichen Tokipona.«
anu
»Aber der Numerus des Wortes und seine Stellung gleichen Tokipona.«
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Re: Modifiers of an en phrase valid?

Post by janKipo »

German doesn't apply, alas, even if the first is grammatical but unclear. Mato's tp is, I think grammatical, but admittedly unclear. But most cases of modifiers with any break from the standard format are unclear: three words after 'pi' for example.

sitelen e seme
'pi' needs at least two content words after it, so 'pi nimi' won't do, unless you are suggesting a change to deal with this situation, as your second form suggests ('pi' has to come after a noun phrase).
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Re: Modifiers of an en phrase valid?

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janUlipe wrote:pona! taso mi wile sona e ni: sina wile ante la sina sitelen seme?

taso nanpa en poki pi nimi li sama toki pona
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taso nanpa en pi poki nimi li sama toki pona?
Would someone pls translate it to beginner? Numbers and containers are the same?
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Re: Modifiers of an en phrase valid?

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I think it was "But the number and classes of words are the same as tp"
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Re: Modifiers of an en phrase valid?

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janSilipu wrote:I think it was "But the number and classes of words are the same as tp"
taso la mi sona ike...
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