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Relexing for recreation - Is there a latinist in the room?

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Relexing for recreation - Is there a latinist in the room?

Postby janMato » Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:33 am

Let me be clear I'm noodling with relexing for recreation, not like the lojban/loglan relex which was all about splitting the community from a creator that didn't get along with the fans.

I was thinking about if it was possible to "make a better relex" or if relex's deserve the bad reputation they have. I think in some cases, a relex might be useful. For example, if I was going to write a poem in toki pona for consumption by people who don't understand it anyhow, I might want to relex it to a more suitable phonotactic structure. I have in mind trying out Latin first-- it has a prestigious feel to it.

Here's my design options

- Transliterate toki pona into Latin (add consonant clusters, suitable vowels at the end of words, etc) soweli --> soverius
- Replace each toki pona word with a suitable Latin one-- either one that sounds like it or one that is in the same semantic range. meli --> puella
- A priori random words that fit Latin's phonotactics, soweli --> omnibius
- Or same as above, but replace "Latin" with any other language soweli --> "zver" or "dyr" or "bet"

The particles would still need to be short particles, the Latin words would have to lose their variety in endings either through picking a bare stem or a bare stem plus a suitable ending-- this would still be an isolating language after all.

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Re: Relexing for recreation - Is there a latinist in the roo

Postby jan Akesimun » Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:42 am

toki. :) It's been a couple years since I messed with toki Lasina, but back in the day my cousin and I used to speak it fairly fluently, and we've been using Spanish since the grammar we were using disappeared. I dunno if that qualifies me as a "Latinist," but I'd be glad to see what comes of this idea. :) How exactly would this work though? Would it be like using Latin words and toki pona grammar, or Latin-ifying toki pona?
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Re: Relexing for recreation - Is there a latinist in the roo

Postby janMato » Sun Dec 19, 2010 11:42 am


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Re: Relexing for recreation - Is there a latinist in the roo

Postby janMato » Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:28 pm

Here is a google translate driven first stab at a Latinate toki pona relex, fixes to bad word choices are welcome.

Challenges-- which inflection to pick (dictionary form or something else), if to pick the verb, noun or prepositional form for something like tawa, and some of the Latin forms are way longer than one would want them for a language with 120 some words.

a a
akesi lacerta
ala non
alasa venari
ale omnes
ali omnes
anpa deorsum
ante alia
anu vel
awen custodi
e e
en et
esun copia
ijo res
Ike male
ilo instrumentum
insa intra
jaki foeda
jan humana
jelo flava
jo jo
kala pisces
kalama sonus
kama veni
kasi herba
ken possum
kepeken cum
kipisi incide
kili fructus
kin vere
kwien petra
ko stercus
Kon caeli
kule color
kute auris
kulupu classis
la si
lape somno
laso blue
lawa caput
len panni
lete frigida
li est
lili paulo
unda linja
lipu pagina
loje ruber
lon in
luka manu
lukin video
lupa foramen
ma terra
mama mater
mani pecuniam
meli puella
me mi
mije vir
moku manducare
moli mori
monsi tergo
mu emugio
mun luna
musi ludicrum
mute multa
namako supplementum
nanpa numero
crazy delirus
nasin iter
nena gibba
ni hoc
nimi nomen
noka tibia
o o
oko oculus
olin amor
ona eam
open aperta
pakala frangere
pali opere
palisa lignum
pan panem
pana do
pata frater
pi de
pilin sentio
pimeja nigrum
pini finem
pipi bestiola
poka cum
poki cisti
pona bona
sama idem
seme quod
seli calidus
selo cute
sewi alta
sike circuli
sijelo corpus
sin nova
sina te
sinpin faciem
sitelen tractus
sona scio
soweli bestia
suli magna
suno sol
supa lectus
suwi dulce
tan quia
taso sed
tawa ire
telo aquas
tenpo tempus
toki loqui
tomo locus
tu duo
unpa futuo
uta ore
utala pugna
walo album
wan unum
waso avis
weka gutta
wawa virtus
wile volo

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Re: Relexing for recreation - Is there a latinist in the roo

Postby jan Ape » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:33 pm

I see what you mean. This is a fun idea. I'll entertain it.

toki = toqui
pona = bon
mi = me
olin = aulen
sina - cina
e = es
ni = ne
li = li
seme = ceme

me aulen es cina. = mi olin e sina. (I love you)

ne li ceme. = what is that.

toqui bon = toki pona


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