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toki!

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toki.
mi jan Frank (mi wile e ni: mi ante e nimi mi. mi wile ante pona e Frank.)
toki pona li sin tawa mi.
mi toki pona kepeken toki pona ala. . . :<
o pona e toki pona mi. :>
:>
mi tawa!
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pona kama. toki sina li pona. sina pali e seme (tawa mani)? sina tan ma seme? sina pali seme tawa musi?

Frank can go several ways

http://tokipona.net/tp/Transliterate.aspx (This isn´t always to be trusted, it sometimes generates bad tp, I won´t explain why)
Default Options: Pan
Split consonants: Piwan
French German R, split consonants: Pikan
Trilled Tapped R, split consonants: Pilan
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And stuff like Wanki and Lanku. Or pick a name you like even if totally unrelated to your usual one.
Kama pona tawa toki pona!
'nimi Frank', proper names are adjectives and need a head.
"I speak well in non-tp languages"? Or "I don't speak tp well"? Mi toki pona ala kepeken toki pona
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Re: toki!

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mi pilin pona tan ni: mi kama sona e nimi mi pi toki pona! :D
Piwan li pona tawa mi. ^_^ nimi mi sin pi toki pona li Piwan :D
mi tawa tomo sona. . . mi jo e sike suno luka luka luka. mi lon ma Mewika.
sitelen en lukin e sitelen en kalama musi pona en kalama e kalama musi li pona tawa mi.
toki li pona kin tawa mi.
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Re: toki!

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jan Kipo, sina pona!
*mi toki pona ala kepeken toki pona*
:P
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Re: toki!

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Again, need 'nimi' (or something like) in front of all those 'Piwans'
'pi' instead of 'e' in that long conjoined subject. Better tp style would be to divide it into several sentences: 'ni ali li pona tawa mi: mi sitelen li lukin e sitelen li kute e kalama musi pona li kalama e kalama musi.' or even more spread out.
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Re: toki!

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O_O tenpo ni la toki pona li ike tawa mi!!! :oops:
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Sorry; this is a couple of the hardest things in tp. tp doesn't have subordinate relative clauses or realistic looking verbal nouns, so you can't say 'sitelen e ijo li pona' because 'sitelen e ijo' is a verb (comes after 'li' ) with a direct object (after 'e') and so can't be in a noun position (before 'li' or after a preposition or 'e'). 'pi' does duty for all the various things we might want to hook one noun with another in a noun phrase, but, as a consequent, is very ambiguous. It is clearer to turn verbal nouns around into verbs with appropriate subjects, since then we know a bit better how things are connected. And clarity where possible is important in tp, which has almost infinite possibilities to be unclear.
The bit about 'nimi' is just the oddity that what we think of a proper names are adjectives in tp and so always need a noun to modify.
Basically a good job there; please don't get disgruntled and leave.
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Re: toki!

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I'm not disgruntled, I'm just a little overwhelmed. I don't remember all of this stuff being covered in the lessons. o_o So does that mean sitelen e ijo li pona would be more correct as sitelen pi ijo li pona? That was kinda confusing o.o
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Re: toki!

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phr4nkr4wk5 wrote:I'm not disgruntled, I'm just a little overwhelmed. I don't remember all of this stuff being covered in the lessons. o_o So does that mean sitelen e ijo li pona would be more correct as sitelen pi ijo li pona? That was kinda confusing o.o
pi has to be followed by two words. When a pi is required, it cannot be omitted, even if it's pretty obvious that a pi would go somewhere, e.g. jan pona pi mi mute vs jan pona mi mute.

pi works a lot like juxtaposition (the meaning you get when you set two words next to each other), so sitelen ijo and sitelen pi ijo, if they meant anything, would mean the same thing, i.e. The thing's picture. The thing that is somehow related to a picture.

There's more than one meaning of the word simple. Talking toki pona is simple in the same way it is simple to build a house with just a wooden mallet. It would be less simple, but easier to use a complex chain saw, nail gun, crowbars, fork lift and so on. toki pona is completely lacking in chain saws.
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