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tomo sona

Postby mije Wi » Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:44 pm

pona a.
tenpo ni la mi tawa tomo e ma tomo ante kepeken mama mije. mi kulupu e tomo pi sona kasi. ona li suli a a a.
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Re: tomo sona

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Re: tomo sona

Postby mije Wi » Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:40 am

:D I wanted to say:

Today i went by car to another city with my father. I joined the university of agriculture. It's large, ha ha ha!

Maybe this is better:

tenpo suno ni la mi tawa tomo ante poka mama mije kepeken tomo tawa. mi kulupu e tomo sona kasi. ona li suli a a a.
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Re: tomo sona

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Re: tomo sona

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Re: tomo sona

Postby janKipo » Thu Sep 30, 2010 1:52 pm

Well, you clearly don't need 'pi' (or 'pu', whatever that turns out to be) between 'tawa' and the destination. It is not clear how general the use of modifiers on 'tawa' to indicate locomotive devices is; .noku' and 'luka' seem settled but 'tomo tawa' feels bad (whatever that means). I'd stick with 'kepeken' to be on the safe side.
Quite right about "join", which in this case means "become a member of", which seems to be 'kama jan pi kulupu ni'. But here, presumably, it is just enroll (or matriculate) and so 'kama jan pi kama sona'

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Re: tomo sona

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Re: tomo sona

Postby janKipo » Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:40 pm

Not sure I follow. You place 'pu' before 'ma tomo', a complex word, I suppose; what goes before 'pu' is just 'tawa', about as simple as can be. So. the idea is that 'tomo' is not a modifier of 'ma' but something -- what? -- else. 'tomo' clearly is a modifier to 'ma', so I guess what you are suggesting (I have been thinking out loud here) is that 'ma tomo' is not a modifier to 'tawa' but rather a NP complement. Now that I agree with and can see the point of marking it, except that Pije, at least, goes to great lengths to insist that is just the normal flow of things (if I remember correctly -- not at all a sure thing).

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Re: tomo sona

Postby mije Wi » Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:25 am

Yes I matriculated!

I don't understand tawa.

pi = means of transportation
e = to where?

If tawa pi noka is correct, why isn't tawa pi tomo tawa, or even tawa pi tomo tawa pi mama mije?

And what about tawa pi tomo? If i tawa by a tomo, isn't it clear it is a tomo tawa?
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Re: tomo sona

Postby janKipo » Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:57 am

'pi' requires at least two words after it, so 'tawa pi noka' is wrong as it stands, though 'tawa noka' is fine. Part of the trouble is that 'tawa' is basically a proposition, i.e., should be followed by a noun and 'noka' and 'tomo tawa' are nouns. Here, however, serving as modifiers. When 'tawa' functions as a verb, as in this case, the "to where" is the noun that follows it in its prepositional function. So. if we wanted to do the whole thing using both thse devices, we would end up with 'tawa pi tomo tawa pi mama mije mi, tomo sona pi suli kasi' I put a comma in to mark the break between the modifier to the verb, 'toma tawa pi mama mije mi' and the destination ' tomo sona pi suli kasi' ("school for growing plants"). This las is not the direct object, which is introduced by 'e'. 'pi' does (obviously) not mean "method of locomotion"; it merely separates out right-grouped chunks in a left-grouping structure: so 'tomo tawa' is taken as a unit modifying 'tawa' rather than 'tomo modifying 'tawa' and 'tawa' then modifying 'tawa tomo'
Sorry; that is a lot of tp grammar in a short space. Please ask more questions
The problem with 'tawa tomo' is that it naturally reads as "go to the building" not "go by means of the construction".


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