toki Awaji (that can't be right)

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toki Awaji (that can't be right)

Postby janKipo » Thu May 13, 2010 7:13 pm

mi pini kama sin tan ma Awaji (?no, 'ji' is surely illegit, Awaki? not really, Awajaki? too long?) ma ni li ma kin pi toki 'ali li pona' (\,,,/). jan ala pi ma ni li pilin ike tan ni: tenpo ali lanena ma Kiloweja li pana e kiwen telo seli tawa telo suli. kiwen telo ni li seli e tomo e nasin e kasi. toki pi ma ni li sama lili toki pona. mi wile pona e sona ni tawa sina. tan ni la mi toki kepeken toki Inli. Both languages have small phonetic inventories ( 14 for tp, 12 or 13 or 18 for Hawaiian, depending upon how you feel about glottal stops and long vowels -- some urban dialects have added a number of English sounds in names, one remote dialect keeps the old distinction between t and k, so 'talo' rather than 'kalo' for taro) both have very restricted syllable structures (tp (C)V(n), H CV(V) - assuming glottal stops count). H has a lot more words, of course, and a more developed set or pronouns and tense/aspect markers, as well as locatives. It is also VSO rather than SVO, but it is NA, like tp. The glottal stops and the lack of t and s means that H doesn't sound much like tp, either -- the very different stress pattern also makes it more alien. But at least one sort of "relative clause" is made exactly on the tp model: two independent sentences connected by relative adjective/pronouns. Oh yeah, words hop freely from class to class, usually without change (there are no conjugations or declensions).

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Re: toki Awaji (that can't be right)

Postby jan Ote » Fri May 14, 2010 3:41 am

janKipo wrote:mi pini kama sin tan ma Awaji (?no, 'ji' is surely illegit, Awaki? not really, Awajaki? too long?)

Awawi
  • ma Awawi (tp Yahoo! group, Kevyn Scott Kateri Calanza Bello, April 2005)
Awaje
  • toki Awaje (Wikipesija: jan Ke entry [Kevyn Scott Calanza Bello], March 2006)
  • ma Awaje (website of jan Ke, 2006?)
  • toki Awaje (tp Yahoo! group, Kevyn Scott Kateri Calanza Bello, March 2007)

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Re: toki Awaji (that can't be right)

Postby janKipo » Fri May 14, 2010 10:30 am

Thanks. jan Ke is from the Pacific somewhere iirc so that adds authority. And it feels about right (though I would prefer an i).

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Re: toki Awaji (that can't be right)

Postby jan-ante » Sun May 16, 2010 4:52 pm

janKipo wrote:mi pini kama sin tan ma Awaji
do you mean mi pini e kama sin tan ma Awaji ? or may be tenpo sin la mi weka tan ma HI

tenpo ali lanena ma Kiloweja li pana e kiwen telo seli tawa telo suli.

why nena ma? could be just nena or nena seli

mi wile pona e sona ni tawa sina.

may be pana?

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Re: toki Awaji (that can't be right)

Postby janKipo » Sun May 16, 2010 6:36 pm

Definitely pana though I would like to improve it, too.
(Working backward) nena ma to deistinguish a mountain from a nose, I suppose. Habit, in short ("mountain" = 'nena ma', a very untpish way of thinking, but a very tempting one -- or, worse, one we fall into without even being tempted).
No, I meant what I wrote, knowing full well that it is both complex and open to question "I have just come back from Hawai'i (pardon the no quite 'okina). I think that pini is a modal meaning finishing/finished and that sin has the effect of return in this particular case. tenpo sin la mi weka tan ma HI doesn't quite make the same point, "Once again, I am far from Hawai'i" leaves very covert the fact that I was at Hawai'i recently and suggests that I am usually rather close to it (to my ears anyhow).


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