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toki!

nimi mi li Alan. mi lon ma Inli. mi kama sona e tona poki tan ni: mi wile toki e toki ante. toki pona li pona tawa mi tan ni: ona li pona kin!

tenpo ni la mi lon tomo sona suli. mi kama sona e sona pi jan sewi (theology?). tenpo kama la mi wile pana e sona pi ni tawa jan. mi wile kin pana e sona lon tomo sona suli.

So, yes, I think I said all that correctly. Maybe not! I've only been learning this for two days! Great idea though!

mi wile e ni: sina mute li pona! :)
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jan Alan o toki!
mi kama sona e tona poki tan ni:
sona e toki pona...

kulupu nimi "sona pi jan sewi" li pona tawa sona ni. taso jan sewi mute li lon: jan sewi Jawe, jan sewi Ila, jan sewi Inana, jan sewi Apolo, jan sewi Asina... tan ni la kulupu nimi "sona pi jan sewi" li ken sona e sona pi jan sewi wan (theology) anu sona pi jan sewi mute (theology for a politeistic religion). ona li ken sona e sona pi jan sewi ali (religious studies).
tenpo kama la mi wile pana e sona pi ni tawa jan.
sina ken ala kepeken e nimi "pi" lon insa kulupu nimi ni tan ni: nimi "pi" li wile e nimi tu lon poka ona. o toki kepeken nasin ni: "mi wile pana e sona ni tawa jan".
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jan Ote wrote:jan Alan o toki!
mi kama sona e tona poki tan ni:
sona e toki pona...
Sorry, I do have slight problems with letters and words; like, in English I often confuse 'p', 'b' and 'd' and transpose letters. But, clearly, I meant "toki pona" hahaha :D (but then again, I've read jan Pije's lessons, and he said the sounds p/b are like interchangeable, so if I were to write "bona" instead of "pona" you'd still understand me! a a a
kulupu nimi "sona pi jan sewi" li pona tawa sona ni. taso jan sewi mute li lon: jan sewi Jawe, jan sewi Ila, jan sewi Inana, jan sewi Apolo, jan sewi Asina... tan ni la kulupu nimi "sona pi jan sewi" li ken sona e sona pi jan sewi wan (theology) anu sona pi jan sewi mute (theology for a politeistic religion). ona li ken sona e sona pi jan sewi ali (religious studies).
mi kama sona e nasin sewi Kolisu e jan sewi Jawe. mi mute li lukin e lipu mute 'Bible' (Pipale?).
tenpo kama la mi wile pana e sona pi ni tawa jan.
sina ken ala kepeken e nimi "pi" lon insa kulupu nimi ni tan ni: nimi "pi" li wile e nimi tu lon poka ona. o toki kepeken nasin ni: "mi wile pana e sona ni tawa jan".
:D ale li pona xD
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Yes, you can pronounce letter "p" as sound, but standard of writting is "p". Letter "b" doesn't exist in tp alphabet.
mi mute li lukin e lipu mute 'Bible' (Pipale?).
"(kulupu) lipu (sewi) Pipija". Rule number one is: base the tokiponized name on the native pronunciation of the native name, here: the Greek one (βιβλια).
By the way: there are some small translations of Bible fragments into toki pona.
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mi mute li lukin e lipu mute 'Bible' (Pipale?).
"(kulupu) lipu (sewi) Pipija". Rule number one is: base the tokiponized name on the native pronunciation of the native name, here: the Greek one (βιβλια).
By the way: there are some small translations of Bible fragments into toki pona.
tenpo pini la mi lukin e lipu sewi Pipija lon Wikipesija. ona li pona tawa mi. :D
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jan Inli wrote:tenpo pini la mi lukin e lipu sewi Pipija lon Wikipesija. ona li pona tawa mi. :D
taso ona li pakala lili. jan Sona li sitelen e nimi ni:
lipu nanpa wan pi jan Mose. jan Sami wrote:2. [...] jan kon pi jan sewi Jawe li sewi pi telo suli.
ike a! ni li lon ala! lipu pi jan Mose li kepeken ala e nimi "jan kon". ona li toki e ni: "kon pi jan sewi Jawe li [tawa] lon sewi telo".

jan Oli li sitelen e nimi ni:
lipu nanpa wan pi jan Mose. jan Oli wrote:5. jan sewi li pana e nimi "suno" tawa suno e nimi "pimeja" tawa pimeja. pimeja en suno li tenpo suno pi nanpa wan.
taso lipu Pipija li toki e ni: "jan sewi li nimi e suno kepeken nimi "tenpo suno" li nimi e pimeja kepeken e nimi "tenpo pimeja". pini suno li kama. open suno li kama. ni li tenpo suno nanpa wan."
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jan Ote wrote:
jan Inli wrote:tenpo pini la mi lukin e lipu sewi Pipija lon Wikipesija. ona li pona tawa mi. :D
taso ona li pakala lili. jan Sona li sitelen e nimi ni:
lipu nanpa wan pi jan Mose. jan Sami wrote:2. [...] jan kon pi jan sewi Jawe li sewi pi telo suli.
ike a! ni li lon ala! lipu pi jan Mose li kepeken ala e nimi "jan kon". ona li toki e ni: "kon pi jan sewi Jawe li [tawa] lon sewi telo".
jan Sami li pilin ala pilin e ni?: jan sewi Jawe li lon tu tu wan jan: mama wije - jan lili wije - kon jan sewi. ken la ona li sitelen e nimi "jan kon" tan e ni: jan sewi Jawe li tu tu wan jan. taso lipu sewi Pipija toki e ni: kon pi jan sewi (רוח אלהים). sina pona.
jan Oli li sitelen e nimi ni:
lipu nanpa wan pi jan Mose. jan Oli wrote:5. jan sewi li pana e nimi "suno" tawa suno e nimi "pimeja" tawa pimeja. pimeja en suno li tenpo suno pi nanpa wan.
taso lipu Pipija li toki e ni: "jan sewi li nimi e suno kepeken nimi "tenpo suno" li nimi e pimeja kepeken e nimi "tenpo pimeja". pini suno li kama. open suno li kama. ni li tenpo suno nanpa wan."
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lipu sewi Pipija li toki e ni: "and there was evening, and there was morning - the first day". taso mi sona ala e ni: mi sitelen e ni kepeken nasin seme.
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"taso lipu sewi Pipija LI toki e ni:"

"tu tu wan jan" means "2+2+1=5 (five!) humanely" (numeral+modifier)
jan sewi Jawe li jan tu wan.

"mama wije" -> mije
But why "mije"? Is God male? Does God have a gender? While in words of Bible it's "he", "Father", in theology it's not so obvious. In European languages the grammar forces us to use a grammar gender, "he" or "she", but not in toki pona. "mama sewi" should be all right, I suppose. Am I wrong?

"kon jan sewi" -> if "mama" and "jan lili" without "sewi", then the 3rd person also without it.
jan Inli wrote:lipu sewi Pipija li toki e ni: "and there was evening, and there was morning - the first day".
Yes, it doesn't say "God gave names to darkness and light. Darkness and light were the first day". He named the darkness and the light. The next sentence says that "The evening and the morning came. The first day". This the part ommitted in jan Oli's translation. His text says something slightly different: there was a darkness and light - named by God. The two were the first day (static colours were the time unit?). While the Bible tells about light change: evening, morning - that makes the day.
jan Inli wrote:taso mi sona ala e ni: mi sitelen e ni kepeken nasin seme.
Could you please rephrase it or say it in English?

Could be you find it interesting to compare:
Four translations of the first verses of the Bible into toki pona.

ali li pona!
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"tu tu wan jan" means "2+2+1=5 (five!) humanely" (numeral+modifier)
jan sewi Jawe li jan tu wan.
a a a :P
"mama wije" -> mije
But why "mije"? Is God male? Does God have a gender? While in words of Bible it's "he", "Father", in theology it's not so obvious. In European languages the grammar forces us to use a grammar gender, "he" or "she", but not in toki pona. "mama sewi" should be all right, I suppose. Am I wrong?
I only wrote 'mama wije' to show I meant "Father" not "Mother", as in Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. ;) But yeh, I suppose in toki pona, 'mama sewi' would be fine.
"kon jan sewi" -> if "mama" and "jan lili" without "sewi", then the 3rd person also without it.
Well, one can say "Father, Son, Spirit"; but it's normal for theologians to refer to the "holy spirit", which I would write as "kon sewi" or "kon pi jan sewi".

jan Inli wrote:taso mi sona ala e ni: mi sitelen e ni kepeken nasin seme.
Could you please rephrase it or say it in English?
I was trying to say, "But I don't know how to write this/it".
Could be you find it interesting to compare:
Four translations of the first verses of the Bible into toki pona.
tenpo kama lili la mi lukin e ona. thanks :)



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Just a side point that goes back to the earliest translations. The god of Gen 1 is not Jahweh (or whatever) but Elohim (which is strictly plural, hence all the first person plurals that follow. Notice there is no LORD here, the usual cover for Jahweh, Adonai). The rest is more theology than I want to get into at the moment, since we are mainly translating an English translation here (or several such) and we can stick to that. I would hope that the tp trat will end up being more inclusive or not sex specific (God doesn't have a penis, after all -- or anything else, come to that), though just how to do the Trinity is a problem -- not one we need deal with in the OT however (or the NT, for that matter, really).
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