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Dotsies

Signs and symbols: Writing systems (hieroglyphs, nail writing) and Signed Toki Pona; unofficial scripts too
Signoj kaj simboloj: Skribsistemoj (hieroglifoj, ungoskribado) kaj la Tokipona Signolingvo; ankaŭ por neoficialaj skribsistemoj
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Dotsies

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Re: Dotsies

Postby Kuti » Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:14 pm

:shock: interesting concept

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Re: Dotsies

Postby jan-ante » Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:19 am

for toki pona one can use just 4-dot columns as it gives 15 combination for 14 tp-letters

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Re: Dotsies

Postby janSilipu » Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:18 pm

These have been around a while and have several interesting properties, though "optimized for reading" may not be one in general. For tp, however, the 125patterns might be easily learned and distinguished (names might be a little rougher). With the four-dot bar there might even be some transmission space, certainly a lot in printout. This does not seem to be much of a conceptual advance, however, of the sort that bringing in computers, etc., was supposed to bring about. It is just a new font, not a new way to present language.

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Re: Dotsies

Postby jan-ante » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:26 pm


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Re: Dotsies

Postby janSilipu » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:32 pm

Point taken, though the dotsie version of 'fcuk' might be as suggestive as the full Latin form once one got into the system. That is, so far as I can tell, dotes are just a different font for the same old alphabet, their charm being compression sand a bit of forcing of the pattern recog that we all genially use (see error studies). But tp's simple vocal makes that reco even more efficient (though there are plenty of opportunities to screw up still), except for proper adjectives.

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Re: Dotsies

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Re: Dotsies

Postby janKipo » Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:53 pm

There are several ways to solve much of the residual fcuk effect with a dotsy version for tp, the first being a careful selection of the dotsy-to-letter alignment. The problem with proper names is not so much recognizing them as such (although that does occur) but that fact that we actually have to spell them out, rather than taking them in as blocks, as would presumably soon be the case with the base words.
The dotsy signs should be chose to minimalize the possibility of the existent word confusions (the sight one, anyhow), mainly, apparently, by making the vowels very distinct (sewi, suwi; pona, pana, etc.)

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Re: Dotsies

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Re: Dotsies

Postby jan Josan » Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:34 pm

The site is really beautiful, and I love reading down the page, watching the bits of comprehensible information slowly becoming reduced. I question though any scripting that just permutates through a sequential progression. As much as is might make it easier to learn quickly by counting down from a down, shouldn't vowels be made most distinct from each other, for instance? I still really enjoy the letter combinations you came up with for their ability to reduce the information and yet retain the most important distinctions between words.

Interestingly, combining your two letter combinations with dotsies seems like it would be no less readable than the full word in dosties.

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