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sitelen nasin sin mi pi toki pona:

Signs and symbols: Writing systems (hieroglyphs, nail writing) and Signed Toki Pona; unofficial scripts too
Signoj kaj simboloj: Skribsistemoj (hieroglifoj, ungoskribado) kaj la Tokipona Signolingvo; ankaŭ por neoficialaj skribsistemoj
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Re: sitelen nasin sin mi pi toki pona:

Postby jan-ante » Wed May 23, 2012 4:55 am


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Postby janKipo » Wed May 23, 2012 12:46 pm

I suspect the overlap is more than a little bit, but, in any case, yes, a mandatory conscript is off-putting to a number of people who might otherwise be attracted to a conlang (though it might attract a very few who might otherwise not be attracted).
Western culture, since at least the Athenian high point, has been apt to look to the East (well, Egypt at least) as the source of the good, the beautiful, and the true and still does today in many ways (less so now than in my youth, the 50s and 60s, when I made a living as a guru for rent).

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Postby jan-ante » Thu May 24, 2012 9:06 am


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Postby janKipo » Thu May 24, 2012 11:15 am

This is a fascinating discussion, but is getting a little beyond the scope of this forum. Is there a place to argue about historical trends, etc.?
I agree that there may be characteristics of a conlang that would require (or, at least, make highly advantageous) the use of a nonstandard script (6 voiceless sibilants, for example), but the language must then have something extraordinary to justify the added effort to learn it. Perhaps also, if it were learned as a spoken language first, so that the need for the distinctions were clear, the strange notation would be acceptable. But, in general, such creations are rare (I am reading about a language for termites and one for birds and also ones for various other non humanoid types elsewhere, but they stand out exactly because they are uncommon).
As for the historical discussion, enough to say that I don't really see your comments as objections to mine, beyond some quibbles about words.

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Postby janSilipu » Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:21 am

Well, when computer writing systems are the norm, then I would recommend them, but, for now, I stick with the current norm. I would suggest different systems for places with different norms except that the Latin alphabet seems to have found some role almost everywhere and it is best to keep things simple. That alphabet has no inherent advantage, only extrinsic ones, but those are enough to keep it alone in primers and general use. Other systems may have a place in the higher realms of usage, like Latin and Greek in monuments, say.

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Postby jan-ante » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:00 am


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Postby janKipo » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:12 pm

Could they? Of course, though we cannot yet see what that change might be. Until the electronic (or whatever comes after that) tools are universal, no change is really likely and, even then, the weight of past records (backward compatibility) will slow any move to radically new notation. One might think about the possibilities a bit, however. Will visual language continue to be linear, like spoken, or might it become multidimensional, like (it is said) conceptualization? If linear, will it stick to phonetics or move to ideographic (perhaps with real pictures, even movies to carry the message)? If multidimensional, what will be the structures and the nodes? How will it correlate with spoken language (if at all)? Much fun to think about, but not yet very profitable (except, getting a head start is never bad).

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