TP Solresol System

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TP Solresol System

Postby Mako » Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:23 pm

A Solresol system adapted for TP
Toki Pona Solresol
Based on C major
A flat – s
A – p
B flat – j
B – t
C - k
D – m
E - n
F – l
G – w
3rd – Ca
4th – Ce
5th – Co
6th – Ci
7th – Cu

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Re: TP Solresol System

Postby janMato » Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:58 am

Would the words have a pleasant sound?

I never learned to make music, but I've spoken with people who do and they say there exists rules and patterns for knowing in advance what will sound good.

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Re: TP Solresol System

Postby janKipo » Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:41 pm

I took a theory course once, to no visible (audible) effect on my production. But the general notion about phonemes seems to be that vowels are most pleasing, followed by fricatives (but not spirants), then nasal, then lenis stops (e.g., English voiced), then spirants that fortis stops. In general, where there is a choice in a category, the preference moves from front to back. "Hellish Racket" gets some of its discordant force from that /ch/ in the second word. But that doesn't answer how well this will work in practice. Got some shape note singers handy?

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Re: TP Solresol System

Postby Mako » Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:33 pm

jan Kipo o! jan Mato o!
My music theory is very weak. This is merely a preliminary scheme (or perhaps a mad daydream). The difficulty is this: I have to fit 14 consonants and 5 vowels onto a 12-note system. Even if the CV syllables are formed by chords, there are more consonants than keys!

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Re: TP Solresol System

Postby janSakewi » Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:46 pm

jan Mato - there are not 14 consonants!

p, t, k, m, n, w, l, j, s

There are only nine. With a twelve-note system, you could use all but one vowel. And apparantly, o and u do not conflict in toki pona. That is, if you were to put a u instead of an o in any word, you would not get an actual word.

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Re: TP Solresol System

Postby janSakewi » Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:47 pm

janSakewi wrote:jan Mato - there are not 14 consonants!

p, t, k, m, n, w, l, j, s

There are only nine. With a twelve-note system, you could use all but one vowel. And apparantly, o and u do not conflict in toki pona. That is, if you were to put a u instead of an o in any word, you would not get an actual word.


Sorry. I mean Mato.

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Re: TP Solresol System

Postby janKipo » Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:42 pm

No law requires you to stick to 12 note scales, especially since modern instruments can hack an octave any which way. And, of course, it is not the absolute notes that need concern you, but the relative positions: more solfeggi than pitch? So, while I don't see the point of this, you should be able to do it.

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Re: TP Solresol System

Postby Mako » Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:02 pm

mi pakala. mi kepeken e nanpa sama jan pi toki pona. :lol: toki pona li jo e nimi mute (mute tu tu). nimi li jo tu kipisi. kipisi nanpa wan li nimi mute (luka tu tu wan). kipisi nanpa tu li nimi mute (luka).

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Re: TP Solresol System

Postby mastersheep13 » Thu May 12, 2016 5:53 pm

Hey, I know I'm (extremely) late to this party but had a similar idea after seeing SolReSol and Moss (http://www.thelanguageofmoss.com/) and wondering if both could be combined, and I feel that this is a great idea!

What I think could make it even better would be an entrance tone to clarify where the pitch center is (just a "nucleus" tone, like a C) and then a way to signify the end/beginning of a word. Possibly could be done with articulation of the final note considering that there is never successive consonants/vowels. (EDIT: One could also end with a simple half-step slurred down from the final letter, signifying the end of a sentence, and a half-step slurred up, signifying the natural vocal inflections one would have for a question.)

If anybody is interested in screwing around with this, I'd be glad to talk with any of you!

EDIT: Also, to clarify further the understanding of vowel/consonant placement, you could slur all consonant-vowel movements, which would start to group together letter pairs (wa-, te-, etc) together in the listener's ear.


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