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A ranged possibility: two-letter codes

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Re: A ranged possibility: two-letter codes

Postby jan-ante » Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:55 pm


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Re: A ranged possibility: two-letter codes

Postby janKipo » Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:20 pm

I expect 'il' for 'kili' would be easier to learn, unless the mere oddity of 'kj' helped make it stick.
Once you start getting away from first two letters or dropping vowels and such easy patterns, there is a temptation to use more of the bare spaces in the chart, brought on by the uneven distribution of works in tp across the alphabet, so using e and i and u and w more, even if they don't exactly fit (j for i, w for u, in some of the simple patterns for example). I don't expect that this would regularize things much, but it might give a rule which had fewer anomalies.

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Re: A ranged possibility: two-letter codes

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Re: A ranged possibility: two-letter codes

Postby janKipo » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:59 pm

Yeah, at a certain point, its inherent conventionality comes to the fore and personal choices take over. Though, the more I look at this, the better I like it as a good accomodation to the facts. Nice job, if I haven't said that before. I've become particularly fond of the solution for the "poke" pair (hip pocket?).

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Re: A ranged possibility: two-letter codes

Postby jan Josan » Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:51 pm

I have a question about how you deal with proper names: if I have a name run into two letter codes, it's not always possible to know where the name ends and the words begin. So far I have been leaving a blank after names because of this...

As interesting as this coding is, I didn't really have a practical use for it until I started naming lots of computer files. with these codes it becomes really easy to have a file named with the first sentence of text etc. the only problem is the further limitations of file naming, which reserves many symbols and varies from system to system. I'm wondering if you've tried using the non-tokipona letters-- for instance something like this:

a -- d
la -- x
li -- 1
o -- v
e -- y
pi -- b
would yield:

mama sona Walasi Lapila pi kulupu Mima li toki e ni
mmsoWalasiLapila_bkpMima_1tkyni

a a a mi sona e sina
dddmisoysa

tenpo kama la mi tawa
tnkmxmitw

jan ale o kama lukin e suno
jnalvkmluysn

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Re: A ranged possibility: two-letter codes

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Re: A ranged possibility: two-letter codes

Postby jan Josan » Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:56 pm

All great suggestions. Thanks for this handy little code!

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Re: A ranged possibility: two-letter codes

Postby raspakant » Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:40 pm

Hi; the two letter code sounds to me like a great idea; should someone wanted to do this, and although not very much in line with general TP philosophy, it would allow creating long words using the 123 stems, and so express, in its written form, nearly all words you need even for more specific levels of communication; perhaps these cluster words might be made of series two letter codes separated by slashes, or whatever; if I may add, also single capital letters might be used , sometimes, to make even shorter clusters or shorter written phrases;
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Re: A ranged possibility: two-letter codes

Postby janKipo » Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:59 pm

And here it goes! Sorry, to notice the old cycles coming round again, but ... Happily, so far this seems to be just about telegraphic writing style, since many of these clumps would not be separate pronounceable. As a matter of readability, I think that clumping will be even less readable than the already rather opaque basic system. And adding caps just complicates matters unnecessarily. Which does remind me to ask what we are to do with foreign words in all of this.

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Re: A ranged possibility: two-letter codes

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