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Genesis 1 translation

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Re: Genesis 1 translation

Postby janTepanNetaPelin » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:47 pm

https://github.com/stefichjo/toki-pona (mi sitelen e lipu ni pi toki pona)
mi jan Tepan. mi pu. mi weka e jan nasa Kipo e jan nasa Lope.

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Re: Genesis 1 translation

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Re: Genesis 1 translation

Postby janKipo » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:08 pm

Just a note on Tepan. So far as I recall, ‘o Sent’ is in the first Pije, from which I and most old-timers learned. If not there, it is certainly in several correspondences with Sonja, filed away some where in the pile at the bottom of Forums. It also seems to have some history in Esperanto, from which Sonja has taken a lot of this muddle (though not the whole conditional mood shtick, thank God!). That seems to be what makes ‘o’ the right mark of optatives, since -u is used for imperatives and -us for “conditionals” (whatever the heck those are -- it covers a lot of ground, apparently).

‘mi o moku e ijo pona’ “I should eat better” is a puzzle and a half. The translation suggests that it has simple informative function and so might be more clearly stated as ‘mi wile moku e ijo pona’. It does, however. - because of the “should” -- have some directive force, so, if we don’t use ‘wile’, which state that force to be in effect, we might reasonably use an imperative form, as here, with the oddity that the person being directed is also the directer, often called hortative mode: “Lets eat good stuff!”. The simple optative “Would that I ate good stuff” or “May I eat good stuff” or whatever doesn’t really seem to fit here, since it is a wish too easy to fulfill. That you don’t fulfill it (apparently) explains the exhoration, spurring you on to do what you should. In short, even the only example Sonja gives that is not obviously a vocative + imperative pretty clearly is one anyhow.

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Re: Genesis 1 translation

Postby jan wiko » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:30 am

Hi!
H had to make some questionable choices but I'm pretty proud of this part :)

luka luka tu tu
sewi li toki e ni: suno tu o lon selo sewi. ona toki tan ni: suno li tu e tenpo suno tan tenpo pimeja. suno ni o toki e tenpo sewi e tempo suno e sike suno.

luka luka luka
suno ni o kepeken lon sewi suli tan ni: ni li suno e ma. ni li kama.

luka luka luka wan
sewi li pali e suno suli tu. suno suli suli li lon tan ni: ni li lawa e tenpo suno. suno suli li lon tan ni: ni li lawa e tenpo pimeja. sewi li pali kin e suno lili lili mute.

luka luka luka tu
sewi li lon e ona tawa sewi suli tan ni: suno li suno e ma.

luka luka luka tu wan
ona li pali tan ni: suno tu li lawa e tenpo suno e tenpo pimeja li tu e suno tan pimeja. sewi lukin ni: ni li pona.

luka luka luka tu tu
ni li tenpo suno pini. ni li tenpo suno sin. ni li tenpo suno nanpa tu tu.


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Re: Genesis 1 translation

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Re: Genesis 1 translation

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Re: Genesis 1 translation

Postby jan wiko » Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:49 am

Hi!
I don't have much time right now so I only did it the next day :)

luka luka luka luka
sewi li toki e ni: telo o pana soweli mute en waso o tawa sewi ma insa sewi suli.

luka luka luka luka wan
sewi li pali e kala suli e soweli ale pi tawa insa telo. sewi li lukin e ni: ni li pona.

luka luka luka luka tu
sewi li toki sewi e ona li toki ni: kala o kama mute lon telo en waso o kama mute lon kon.

luka luka luka luka tu wan
ni li tenpo pi suno pini. ni li tenpo pi suno sin. ni li tenpo suno nanpa luka.
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Re: Genesis 1 translation

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Re: Genesis 1 translation

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Re: Genesis 1 translation

Postby janTepanNetaPelin » Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:42 pm

toki, jan Wiko o!

I would happily make a read-through with comments when you're done. :)

mi tawa.
https://github.com/stefichjo/toki-pona (mi sitelen e lipu ni pi toki pona)
mi jan Tepan. mi pu. mi weka e jan nasa Kipo e jan nasa Lope.


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