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Genesis 1 translation

Postby jan wiko » Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:18 am

Good afternoon,
My goal is to translate the first chapter of genesis into toki pona.
Can you criticize these first eight verses?

open

wan
open la jan sewi li pali e sewi e telo.

tu
ma li lon ala li jo e ala. pimeja li lon lupa suli selo. kon sewi li tawa lon sewi telo.

tu wan
jan sewi li toki ni: o lon e suno. suno li lon.

tu tu
jan sewi li sona ni: suno li pona. jan sewi tu li suno li pimeja.

luka
jan sewi li nimi e suno e pimeja. ni li tenpo suno sin. ni li tenpo suno pini. ni li tenpo suno pi nanpa wan.

luka wan
jan sewi toki ni: o lon e selo. selo ni li tu e telo.

luka tu
jan sewi li pali e selo. ona li tu e telo pi noka selo e telo pi sewi selo. ni li ni.

luka tu wan
jan sewi li nimi selo. ni li tenpo suno sin. ni li tenpo suno pini. ni li tenpo suno pi nanpa tu.


The English text is available here: .
Thank you in advance,
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Re: Genesis translation

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Re: Genesis translation

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Re: Genesis 1 translation

Postby janTepanNetaPelin » Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:58 pm

https://github.com/stefichjo/toki-pona (mi sitelen e lipu ni pi toki pona)
mi jan Tepan. mi pu. mi weka e jan nasa Kipo e jan nasa Lope.

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Re: Genesis 1 translation

Postby janKipo » Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:55 pm

Other translations. There are a couple in the new Corpus, which isn’t indexed yet, alas, and at least one back in Forums and another in the old Corpus on tokipona.org (which is searchable).

Sorry about the repetitions of “light” etc, but that is the price of a limited vocabulary. Probably you can get away with just “name them” and the assumption that he named them with the names they obviously have.

The day parts in order “evening and morning, the first day”, say, is from my memory, so not guaranteed to be in any translation or the original.

I like ‘open la’ for “in the beginning”. (but then, I don’t think ‘kama’ means “begin” really).

Tepan steps into one of the bigger muddles in pu: what "jan o moku” means. There are two stories about it an one of them manages to muddy the waters more: For most of tp’s history, ‘jan o moku’ was an abbreviation ‘jan o, o moku’ vocative + imperative (it isn’t a very good abbreviation, since the actual pronunciation has a clear break rather than a fusion, but then .... tradition), In pu it is said to be an opttive, expression a wish “Would that the man eat” or some such thing. But then, in the examples and exercises, it is used for imperatives again, including horatory imperatives (i.e., with firt person subjects). So, to clear things up for now, we have gone back to the old optative, which simply put ‘o’ in front of the sentence. Tepan has the right idea, just the wrong form (though I admit his form would be a better one if Sonja got rid of the old usage).

I’ll stick with my remarks about ‘tu e suno ...’

Tepan’s last line is odd: pan e nimi tawa suno, tawa pimeja’ I assume he means ‘tawa suno en tawa pimeja’ though even that is slightly odd, since they are different names. Of course, ‘tawa suno en pimeja’ is equally odd but tidieer and probably understandable. The two successive prepositional phrases without any connection, however, leaves them overlapping rather than separable in any grammatical way.

I assume you will do your own tp, deviating from everyone else’s in unique ways. Tepan’s claim. to stick to pu is as misleading as any other guideline.

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Re: Genesis 1 translation

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Re: Genesis 1 translation

Postby jan wiko » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:56 am

toki!
Here are the next verses of Genesis 1. There were quite hard to translate for me, I am not sure about the result.
I will be please to read your comments!

luka tu tu
sewi li toki e ni: telo pi lon anpa selo o lon wan. telo ala o lon. ni li ni.

luka luka
sewi li pana tawa telo ala e nimi ni: ma. sewi li pana tawa telo mute e nimi ni: telo. sewi li sona e ni: ni li pona.

luka luka wan
sewi li toki e ni: ma o pana e kasi e kasi anpa pi jo pan e kasi suli kili ante pi jo pan ma. ni li ni.

luka luka tu
ma li pana e kasi e kasi anpa pi jo pan ante e kasi suli kili pi jo pan ante. sewi li sona e ni: ni li pona.

luka luka tu wan
ni li tenpo pi suno pini. ni li tenpo suno sin. ni li tenpo suno nanpa tu wan.
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Re: Genesis 1 translation

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Re: Genesis 1 translation

Postby jan wiko » Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:48 am

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Re: Genesis 1 translation

Postby janKipo » Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:03 pm

The old word list gives ‘kiwen unpa’ for seed. Not bad but not snappy.
I still worry about those internal ‘o’s, but it seems that a dialect is developing that takes what I think is the right -- but not traditional -- approach here. It muddles all the stuff from the old corpus and quite a bit from the new, but maybe makes the most sense. I do wish sonja had overtly rejected her old pattern before she introduced her new one.


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