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Ecclesiastes 1.10 + newbie questions

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Re: Ecclesiastes 1.10 + newbie questions

Postby janTepanNetaPelin » Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:21 pm

Last edited by janTepanNetaPelin on Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:32 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Ecclesiastes 1.10 + newbie questions

Postby WasoPimeja » Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:48 pm

toki, janTepanNetaPelin o!

Just ordered the book! It'll be very interesting to compare the way it presents the language with jan Pije's lessons. He is clear about the fact that his teachings differ somewhat from the book, but doesn't go much into detail about how. I'll study a bit on your site while waiting.

I don't know about you, but I find it very interesting, and good, that there are different views, 'camps' - almost, regarding the way the language is to be, or can be, used. I've already noticed by reading different texts from different authors/translaters, that some are more adventurous and radical than others. Such tendencies tell me that the language, despite it's relative newness and small number of users, is alive. It also makes reading more interesting, I find.
ala li sin lon anpa suno. jan ala li ken toki e ni: 'o lukin! ni li sin a!' tan ni: ale li kama li tawa weka lon tenpo pini.- Eccl. 1.10

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Re: Ecclesiastes 1.10 + newbie questions

Postby WasoPimeja » Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:59 pm

By the way,

I might have overlooked something, but I can't find what the non-anglicising alternative to 'ona li lukin sama waso' is? 'ona li waso lukin'?
ala li sin lon anpa suno. jan ala li ken toki e ni: 'o lukin! ni li sin a!' tan ni: ale li kama li tawa weka lon tenpo pini.- Eccl. 1.10

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Re: Ecclesiastes 1.10 + newbie questions

Postby janTepanNetaPelin » Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:47 pm

https://github.com/stefichjo/toki-pona (mi sitelen e lipu ni pi toki pona)
mi jan Tepan. mi pu. mi weka e jan nasa Kipo e jan nasa Lope.

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Re: Ecclesiastes 1.10 + newbie questions

Postby janKipo » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:59 pm

From the trends in the corpus, I would add ‘sama lukin waso’ “like a bird visually”, see the standards like ‘’pona lukin’ for “pretty”, etc. or ‘lete pilin’ for “feels cold” (to the touch). That change, except for the almost hard wired ‘pilin pona’ and ‘pilin ike’ are pretty standard in the corpus now, though not in Pije and not consistently in pu.

If you want to look at variations, I recommend the FAQ in tpnimi.blogspot.com, which covers the main ones (and some unmet suggestions for more). You might also look at Lope’s text, regularly touted in Forums, which are even more conservative (except when radically odd) than Tepan’s. Aside from minor vocabulary matters, however -- and grammatical interpretations of what is offered -- most people who follow various paths can read one another with no problems, often without even noticing that they are different. There is a community norm, but it is soft over most of its range.


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