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Re: Drive

Postby janpona120 » Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:43 am


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Re: Drive

Postby janKipo » Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:14 pm

Wheels are not organs.
For the rest of your list, the relation between the two terms is very unclear.

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Re: Drive

Postby natan » Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:07 pm


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Re: Drive

Postby janKipo » Sat Oct 22, 2016 5:00 pm

just following janpona on that; wheels aren't limbs either or any other part of a living creature, so not apt to be 'noka'.

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Re: Drive

Postby janpona120 » Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:39 am


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Re: Drive

Postby janKipo » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:14 am

Well, the reasoning here is all fallacious if taken literally. A dog is alive. A carrot is alive. So a dog is a carrot.
I suppose some analogically connections are intended, but I confess I don't see them or, at least, don't see them as relevant to anything under discussion. The more explicit metaphors need to be tested out in tp use, though I don't hold out much hope for them.

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Re: Drive

Postby janpona120 » Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:06 am

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noka: organ of locomotion
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mary poppins, umbrella, wind -- organ of locomotion
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Re: Drive

Postby janKipo » Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:49 pm

Ok, got it. There is a category, means of locomotion, to which wheels and legs and even occasionally umbrellas belong. That is a fact to be noted in a semantic map ( maybe not the umbrella) but I don't see anything following from that in terms of language usage. ( I confess I've lost the main thread of this discussion, which appears to have been about the best way to say "drive", in it several senses, in tp. If so, I don,t see how this fits in.)

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Re: Drive

Postby janpona120 » Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:29 am

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jan li: lawa, tawa, noka (from: rumvi.com)

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Re: Drive

Postby janKipo » Sat Nov 05, 2016 11:33 am

Interesting, but the 'noka' part is entirely in your world, not tp's. But the 'lawa e' v. 'tawa kepeken' is genuine, though most people seem content to use 'tawa' even when they are behind the wheel.


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