Help with a few sentences

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Help with a few sentences

Postby janAnela » Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:22 pm

Hello! I've recently begun learning TP, and I have come across a few sentences for which I cannot find an explanation. I'd appreciate anyone's insight.

TP: mi mute li lukin lili e ona.
Eng: We barely saw it.

Q: Why is there a "li" in this sentence? If it was "I barely saw it," the sentence would be "mi lukin lili e ona," correct? Does "mi mute" require the use of "li" and "mi" doesn't?

TP: ona li kama tawa tomo mi.
Eng: He came to my house.

Q: Why is the sentence not "ona li kama tawa e tomo mi"?

TP: ni li tawa jan pona mi.
Eng: This is for my friend.

Q: Same as above. Why isn't the sentence, "ni li tawa e jan pona mi"?

Thank you so much for your help!

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Re: Help with a few sentences

Postby janKipo » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:51 pm

1. Yes, 'li' is omitted exactly when preceded by 'mi' or 'sina' standing alone (and 'o', but that is later). If you add something to 'mi', either before or after, the omission does not occur (skipping technical explanation).

2.'tawa' is a preposition, the characteristic of which is that the "object" follows immediately after, without 'e'. This is true even when the preposition is doing a verb's job, as here (at least partly). cf. 'mi lon ma tomo Sanluwi" "I am in St. Louis.", etc.

3. Same answer.

kama pona tawa toki pona! (a different construction, but still a prep with object immediately after).

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Re: Help with a few sentences

Postby janAnela » Thu Dec 31, 2015 1:39 pm

Awesome, thank you! I find that as long as I know the rule or the reason for something, I can remember it better. :) Thank you!

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Re: Help with a few sentences

Postby jan_Lope » Sat Jan 02, 2016 3:33 pm

jan Anela o, toki.

Maybe these lessons can help you. ... essons.php
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