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In search for an "ilo" example.

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In search for an "ilo" example.

Postby numancer » Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:33 pm

Hi all!

I'm building a toki pona dictionary in spanish with examples for each function. But I do have a problem with "ijo" as a modifier. I do not really get what does 'of something' mean.

¿Does it work this way?
sina toki ijo moku -> you talk about food

¿Or does it this other way?
sina toki e moku ijo > you talk about food.

¿Or none of the above?


pona tawa sina mute, jan Numancer.
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o toki ala, o pali

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Re: In search for an "ilo" example.

Postby janMato » Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:44 pm


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Re: In search for an "ilo" example.

Postby janSilipu » Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:26 pm

'sina toki E ijo moku'
Where is this reference (where is the Eo section, come to that)?

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Re: In search for an "ilo" example.

Postby janMato » Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:12 pm

This was from when toki pona had fewer words and when there was a complete canonical word list translated by jan Sonja into 2 language English and Esperanto, i.e. the website version just before it turned into a wiki and forum.

My merged list is based on that one plus the current wiki. (The a copy paste of the original HTML, I didn't add any editorial amendments)

http://tokipona.net/tp/ClassicWordList.aspx#ijo

http://tokipona.wikia.com/wiki/nimi_ale ... i_Epelanto <-- Here is another link to just the esperanto list, including the "pri io"

But archive.org is down today! :-( If it was up, I'd give you the link to the mirror of jan Sonja's old website. As soon as archive.org is back on line, it looks like I will need to create my own mirror of the old site.

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Re: In search for an "ilo" example.

Postby numancer » Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:28 am

o pona tawa sina la janMato. : )
And "wow" to you, also. Thanks for such an answer.

I believe I'll stick to the "canonical-original" form. It looks much more sensible, and non-ambiguos.

If of any interest, the "ijo" term description can be found at http://conlangs.numancer.com/es/content/ijo ;
And my arguments forth a canonical form at http://conlangs.numancer.com/es/content ... odificador ;

At the present moment, they are in Spanish, but a translation Esperanto or English is planned. However, it can take a little bit.

o pona mute tawa sina, once more.
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Re: In search for an "ilo" example.

Postby Mako » Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:39 pm

mi lukin e toki sina kepeken toki Epanja. ni li pona tawa mi. I would support the toki ijo solution. the applicative solution is ambiguous and annoying. the pi solution assigns a more specific meaning to pi than is warranted. jan olin o mi toki e unpa ijo. o mi toki e mi sina ijo!

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Re: In search for an "ilo" example.

Postby janSilipu » Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:26 am

Pi kepeken toki Epanja.
I still think the idiom is backwards.


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