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Showing necessity or obligation in Toki Pona

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Re: Showing necessity or obligation in Toki Pona

Postby Kuti » Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:03 pm


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Re: Showing necessity or obligation in Toki Pona

Postby jansasin » Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:53 pm

I was just showing how one would use ijo and jan for indefinite subjects, then giving an example of what the subject could be.

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Re: Showing necessity or obligation in Toki Pona

Postby jan-ante » Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:11 am


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Re: Showing necessity or obligation in Toki Pona

Postby janSilipu » Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:17 pm

Presumably, if 'wile' comes from someone's desire, 'ken' comes from someone's permission or indifference. I think calling this intuitions/constructivism is stretching matters a bit.

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Re: Showing necessity or obligation in Toki Pona

Postby jan-ante » Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:34 am


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Re: Showing necessity or obligation in Toki Pona

Postby Jan KoAla » Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:43 am

I don't know if jan Mato is a little busy these days, so I wouldn't want to push him to volunteer to do anything.

However, if there is a real interest in a kind of journal mailing list type thing, we could start to put it together as a group. I don't know a lot about programming and automation, but I think setting up some sort of email list should be easy enough. The thing to me would be setting up some place to discuss what's collected and all that entails (editing and its ilk). So, not to derail this farther than it already has, back to the topic.

I think your idea of having to construct some things has been hinted at before. Really, with such a context based language, it is a necessity, I think.

mi mute li wile toki kepeken toki pona la mi mute li wile toki e ni: tenpo toki la ali li jo e seme? ali li lon seme? ali li tan seme? ali li kepeken e nasin seme?

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Re: Showing necessity or obligation in Toki Pona

Postby janMato » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:03 am

I've been tempted to set up a wildcat email list myself... if some one beats me to it, please, please:

Put in the user agreement that all the contributions to the list are CC-by attribution. Without that, we lose track of who really wrote it an what the license is, which super strictly speaking means it's copyright and can't be republished by anyone except the original author.
Make the archives public & accessible by google crawer and archive.org (i.e. that the service doesn't have a robot.txt file telling the spiders to go away). For example of how *not* to do it, see the kelen mailing list.
Make sure it either has a human moderator or at least a very good capcha system. Ideally appoint multiple moderators, on average people show up and participate in the tp community for maybe 3-6 months and that includes the inventor and the moderators of some of the more successful tp sites (toki lili, this forum, etc). For a good example how not to do it, see the toki lili, which has completely broken spammer detection. Many of the less active yahoo mailing lists for conlangs are 100% spam now.

And ideally, host with a company that is unlikely to go out of business for a really long time-- google, microsoft, apple. For an example of the wrong way, see all the Geocities toki pona pages. Well, try to see them, because they are scattered across a few incomplete archives.

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Re: Showing necessity or obligation in Toki Pona

Postby janMato » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:07 am


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Re: Showing necessity or obligation in Toki Pona

Postby Jan KoAla » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:24 am

I was more plainly talking about developing a context just in general for toki pona texts. I guess I didn't develop quite enough context ironically. :D

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Re: Showing necessity or obligation in Toki Pona

Postby jansasin » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:43 am

Hahaha maybe English should work on its semantics too :lol:


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