I was going to just delete this, but I think I'll leave it here because there are still some good conversations in it. This was written about a week after I jumped in the language. Filled with naivety and unnecessary hostility (caused from staying up all night thinking about this )
I'll take this beginning moment here to say it's been an interesting week jumping into ma pi toki pona. I really think it's cool that such a community exists, even if it's not quite what I expected. There are a lot of people who I am humbled by here and that deserve a lot respect, especially when everyone wants to constantly change everything!
That said, I see a pretty big split in the community, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of mixing, just a lot of anger. On one side, there are the people who want to adhere to a philosophy and stay true to the ideas that toki pona is supposed to support.
On the other side are the practical people. They want to be able to actually speak the language.
Now, I personally don't really care at all about some made up people that are supposed to live in the rainforest or somesuch, but I do think that the idea deserves some respect, and it gives toki pona a bit of an interesting culture.
On the other side, we don't need to be able to count to 374232404373627012430 or all the numbers that exist.
That said, we do need some numbers. Both sides of the table on this, if you get past the stubornness, are dealing with it someway. I don't care about anything official, I am talking more about this:
tenpo 25 la mi sike suno.
Which I read in my head as:
tenpo TWENTY-FIVE la mi sike suno.
The numbers are there regardless of whether it's admitted or not. The current official system is anything but simple and reminds me of 374232404373627012430 in it's complexity. I mean tu tu tu tu tu tu tu t tutututuutututu wan means nothing to me. Even if you throw a few lukas in there it's still a headache.
So, I have my own way that I deal with this, because I want to be able to stay in toki pona in my head. I don't care if anyone else does, but I know there are other frustrated people like me, so I'll explain it. I don't want an argument either. If you don't like it, don't use it. If you don't think there should be numbers, don't use them. However, the numbers will continue to exist regardless, and it's nice to have a way to deal with them.
The first thing I like to do is bring back tuli and po, but that's unnecessary, you don't even have to revive them if you don't want. So, I say the numbers like this:
So, you can see the general rule. I had read somewhere someone suggested "jan" for bigger units and liked that. Keeps "mute" for more general things, and you get a few hands/arms and you have a person
but I'm more interested in the practical uses of it.
This system is only practical up to about 125, which is more than we really need anyway. I did think it was cute that 125 is about the number of words in toki pona though. This gives us enough numbers to deal with time, days of the week, age, months, among other things!
"taso mi mute li kepeken nanpa suli pi nasin seme!?!?"
Well, I figure the only practical numbers after about 100 are for years and addresses. And for that, with the new makeshift 0-9 digits, just saying them. If you want you can seperate stuff with "en" I guess, but that's not too important.
1999 wan lukapo lukapo luka po (or wan en lukupo en lukapo en lukapo, or tulilukapo en lukapo en lukapo... etc)
2001 tu ala ala wan
2011 tu ala wan wan
1492 wan po lukapo tu
And that's it. Don't bother telling me it's stupid because I'll be using it and teaching it to people because it is needed to avoid many awkward phrases where we currently, just can't say the sentence in toki pona.
I think numbers up to around 100 are important to be able to easily differentiate, because otherwise we just end up in awkward silences in our head. I've seen too, every new person who comes to toki pona seems to come up with their own number system, which is why I'm partially annoyed by myself, but it also provides insight into a real problem with the language currently.
Now, I also think the culture is important to maintain. Most people who want to come up with a system seem to want to deal with ALL REAL NUMBERS, but I'm not very good at math, and it ends up being incredibly math intensive. This is simple, but still quirky, and doesn't have a clear ending. It's vague on purpose. I see toki pona as being about graying up the black and white.
So, I invite you to use this method or not. I think it will be useful to many people, and is a somewhat comprimise between having a complicated math system that is not simple by any stretch of the word and being able to actually speak the language. I will be using it, and I know everyone is saying something to themselves when they see numbers because you can't just ignore them!
pona mute a! jan ali pi toki pona li pona mute mute mute!
PS whoever did the transliteration "rules" for hangeul made a grave error where 어 (ə) is used for "e" instead of 애 (e). Small gripe, but it annoyed me
I do think that hangeul could be good for toki pona, if people wanted a different writing system. It's not nerdy like tengwar, and it's not complicated like chinese characters or heiroglyphics. However, it's really not important at all