kulupu toki lon tomo pi ma tomo

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kulupu toki lon tomo pi ma tomo

Postby aikidave » Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:30 pm

tenpo suno pini la mi tawa kulupu toki lon tomo pi ma tomo mi.
jan mute lili li toki.
mije pali li wile pali e tomo pali sin.
mije li wile awen e telo ike lon tomo sin.
tomo kama li poka telo.
jan pi ma tomo li moku e telo ni.
kulupu lawa li wile pilin sama tawa lipu pali.
mije li wile pali kepeken nasin pona.
mije li wile sitelen e nimi pi telo ike lon lipu.
mije li wile pana e lipu ni tawa jan lawa pi ma tomo.
ni li pona tawa mije.
ni li pona tawa jan pi ma tomo.

Comments / corrections / improvements please.
What I was trying to say follows.

Yesterday I went to a meeting at my town hall.
A few people spoke.
A builder wants to build a new office building.
He wants to keep dangerous liquids at the new building.
The future building is next to the town water supply.
The town officers must agree for the building permit.
The man must build according to the building code.
The man must write the names of the dangerous liquids on paper.
The man must give the list to the town officials.
The man was satisfied.
The people of the town were satisfied.

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Re: kulupu toki lon tomo pi ma tomo

Postby janMato » Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:49 pm

aikidave wrote:tenpo suno pini la mi tawa kulupu toki lon tomo pi ma tomo mi.
jan mute lili li toki.
mije pali li wile pali e tomo pali sin.
mije li wile awen e telo ike lon tomo sin.
tomo kama li poka telo.
jan pi ma tomo li moku e telo ni.
kulupu lawa li wile pilin sama tawa lipu pali.
mije li wile pali kepeken nasin pona.
mije li wile sitelen e nimi pi telo ike lon lipu.
mije li wile pana e lipu ni tawa jan lawa pi ma tomo.
ni li pona tawa mije.
ni li pona tawa jan pi ma tomo.


Here's what I translated before I looked at the English:

"Yesterday I went to a group discussion in a building in my city.
Many children talked. (lili has to modify jan, jan mute lili = jan lili mute), jan pi mute lili would be better.
Work men wanted to create a new factory (or office building).
Men want to hold the bad water in this building.
The prospective building is a pool (... uh reservoir).
People of the city drink this water.
The government wants to feel ... copy-to work page.
The men want to work with the good way (maybe daoism)
The men want to write the names of bad water on the pages.
The men want to give these pages to they major of the city.
The men like this.
The city likes this. "

It looks like there will be a vote or bond-referendum on a municipal water treatment plant?

Okay, read the translation. I think to get this, I would have needed to know that the liquids are potentially life threatening/poisonous, whereas sewerage is mostly stinky. I missed the various agents. jan esun, jan pi tomo mi and jan lawa pi tomo mi would have helped distinguish who the players are. I thought the building was going to be built by the government. jan pali covers both government workers and private workers, whereas jan esun, or jan pali esun would probably only be read as private sector workers.

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Re: kulupu toki lon tomo pi ma tomo

Postby aikidave » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:34 pm

Thanks for the helpful comments.
Here is my 1st revision:

tenpo suno pini la mi tawa kulupu toki lon tomo pi ma tomo mi.
jan pi ma tomo pi mute lili li toki.
jan pali esun li wile pali e tomo pali sin.
jan pali esun li wile awen e telo ike lon tomo sin.
jan pi ma tomo mi li moku e telo ike ni la jan pi ma tomo mi li kama jo ike sijelo.
tomo kama li poka telo pona.
jan pi ma tomo li moku e telo pona ni.
telo ike li ken ala tawa telo pona.
jan lawa pi ma tomo mi li pilin sama la jan pali esun li ken pali e tomo pali.
jan lawa pi ma tomo mi li wile e ni: jan pali esun li pali kepeken nasin pona.
jan lawa pi ma tomo mi li wile e ni: jan pali esun li sitelen e nimi pi telo ike lon lipu.
jan lawa pi ma tomo mi li wile e ni: jan pali esun li pana e lipu ni tawa jan lawa pi ma tomo.
ni li pona tawa jan pali esun.
ni li pona tawa jan pi ma tomo mi.

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Re: kulupu toki lon tomo pi ma tomo

Postby janKipo » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:39 pm

'kama Jo e Ike sijelo'
'poka tawa telo pona ' or something like that; I don't think 'poka'' takes it's complement when a verb (doesn't mean " near" or " beside " as a prep anyhow).
ante la ni li pona sama tenpo ali.


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