esun moku, mama meli mi, toki kulupu

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esun moku, mama meli mi, toki kulupu

Postby aikidave » Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:10 pm

esun moku
mi tawa esun moku.
mi kama jo e moku.
mi lon linja pi pana mani.
meli li tawa weka tan esun.
poki mani pi jan meli li awen lon esun.
mi toki tawa meli.
mi lukin e poki tawa meli.
meli li toki e pona tawa mi.

mama meli mi
tenpo esun tu pini la mama meli mi li jo e ike sijelo.
mama meli mi li ken ala kon.
mama meli mi li tawa tomo pi pona sijelo.
jan pi pona sijelo li lon insa ilo e mama meli mi.
ilo li lukin e insa pi mama meli mi.
mama meli mi li jo e ike sijelo Numonija.
jan pi pona sijelo li pana e sike lili pona tawa mama meli mi.
tenpo ni la mama meli mi li pilin pona.
mama meli mi li tawa weka tan tomo pi pona sijelo.

toki kulupu
mi lon kulupu toki pali.
mi anpa e monsi mi lon supa.
mi mute li toki pi pali pini.
mi wile tawa ma ante.
tomo kulupu li pimeja.
mi wile lape.

Comments / proof reading please.
Can inanimate tools/machines 'see' things in toki pona? Or do the doctors see things using a medical tool?
Translation below. Thanks.

Supermarket
I went to the supermarket.
I got food.
I was in the checkout line.
A woman left the store.
Her pocket book remained in the store.
I called to the woman.
I showed the pocket book to the woman.
The woman thanked me.

My mom
Two weeks ago my mother was sick.
My mother could not breathe.
My mother went to the hospital.
The doctors put my mother inside a machine.
The machine examined my mother.
My mother had pneumonia.
The doctors gave pills to my mother.
Now my mother is feeling well.
My mother left the hospital.

Meeting
I am at a work meeting.
I am sitting in a chair.
We talk about completed work.
I want to go to another place.
The meeting room is dark.
I want to sleep.

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Re: esun moku, mama meli mi, toki kulupu

Postby janMato » Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:40 pm

Can inanimate tools/machines 'see' things in toki pona? Or do the doctors see things using a medical tool?

Since toki pona is a strict subject-verb-object (nominative/accusative) language, everything has to be forced into that pattern. English also happens to be a nominative-accusative language, so it also puts things into subject that aren't exactly doing an action and things into the direct object aren't exactly receiving an action. (I got this idea from reading Morphosyntax, Paine) So one mark in favor of "machines seeing things" Also, the role of prepositional phrases is to move those things off center stage (less topical) and anything moved into subject and object are more topical. So if the story is about the awesome machinery, then pick a construction where the machinery is subject or object, not off to the side in a prepositional phrase. (I also got this idea from reading Morphosyntax, Paine)

jan Kipo on the other hand, (If I read him correctly) usually encourages people to make the subject and object match up with their semantic role, so the actor is the subject, the recipient of the action is the direct object and instruments are in a kepeken phrase.

Good writing, I understood most of it the first time. I thought it odd that someone was being put in a machine instead of being poked with a medical device, but it makes sense now.


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