pookusarookus wrote:toki ale o!
This is jan andu again. I got pretty busy so its been a while, but I'm still interested in toki pona. I've got a few other things to ask all of you how to translate. If you like I can put it as a different topic I just need to know how to make a different topic. Anyway here are the phrases/words I'd like to know how to say in toki pona:
"it is too slow"
"this is fast"
"he is fast"
Any help, as always, is appreciated.
Because 'pi' is for noun group?janMato wrote:akesi poki li tawa pi wawa ala. <-- Plausible usage of pi, but I can't remember seeing anyone else do it.
jan Ote wrote:Because 'pi' is for noun group?janMato wrote:akesi poki li tawa pi wawa ala. <-- Plausible usage of pi, but I can't remember seeing anyone else do it.
akesi en soweli li utala toki e sama.
No need to use "e sama".
"ala! sina toki sama jan lawa li kon taso."
"No! You talk like a king(?) and you are like a wind only"?
"a. mi en sina li utala sijelo kepeken noka tu tu.
"utala" (fight) is by itself "sijelo" (body, corporal). For sports is better to use "utala musi" (see Olympic games).
o jan wawa li kama jan suli pi pini pi nena ma."I suppose "jan" is used here for an animal, with the meaning like "oh, let the quickest person [of us] became the greatest of finishing the hill (?).
soweli li pilin sama soweli ni: soweli li kepeken ala e lawa insa li lili tawa oko pi jan pona ona.
The hare was feeling/thinking like this animal: animal is not using his brain(?) and is small to eye of his friend. (?)
jan ale li pana e pona tawa akesi poki tan pali ona.
All persons thanked to the turtle because of what he made.
pali li wawa lili. taso pali li pini ala.
Work is/was weak (slow), but work wasn't finished.(?)
o toki!janMato wrote:If subjects are obligatory
- soweli li lape.janMato wrote:then why should objects be optional? The object is optional in English, but there doesn't seem to be any universal reason why other languages should have optional DO's
A mere racing ("utala sijelo") vs. a battle, combat ("utala sijelo")?janMato wrote:But chess is a battle of wits and musi makes it sound pleasant. This is a serious duel between animals with their reputation at stake.
"jan" seems to be ok for persons (they are persons in the tale, aren't they?), but the expression for "top-of-the-mountain-great" is not clear for me (the "top of the mountain great" is an English metaphor, so not everybody tends to catch it at first glance in "jan suli pi pini(?) pi nena ma.").janMato wrote:I working at conveying superlative. top-of-the-mountain-great, the greatest. The jan Pije lessons have the word superlative in it, but I only see the explanation for comparatives ( X Q lili. Y Q suli/mute. Y is more Q than X)
Nice, but I don't grok what is "sama soweli ni" for. Looks like it's redundant.janMato wrote:Yeah. Science based phrases (primitive societies were sure where smarts were, I think Greeks figured thinking happened in the belly) and a metaphor SOCIAL PRESTIGE=PHYSICALLY BIG.
jan Ote wrote:- soweli li lape.janMato wrote:then why should objects be optional? The object is optional in English, but there doesn't seem to be any universal reason why other languages should have optional DO's
- ni li lon ala. ona li moli.
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