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Re: toki pi kalama pona suli

Postby janKipo » Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:22 pm

Well, I said that I had lost the thread of the story at some point, so this shows I really had,

The point about 'a' is just to reinforce that tp words -- with a few exceptions -- move around to play different roles. This case of 'a' (and of 'mu' as well) seem particularly natural moves: from the interjection to the name of the interjection, to making the interjection, to saying something in an interjectional way: ona li a e ni "mi pilin ike" soweli tomo li mu e ni: jan ike li kama. Since we can't rely on metaphors for the moment, we have to go with what we have. (Of course, I do want to use metaphors: jan li mu e toki la toki ni li sona e ala, using 'mu' for "talks nonsense" -- and 'mu' for "spam" rather than some weird version of a calque.

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Re: toki pi kalama pona suli

Postby jan-ante » Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:56 pm


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Re: toki pi kalama pona suli

Postby janKipo » Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:35 pm

<<o sitelen taso e musi sewi, tan pilin pi lon insa mi.

remove e and pi lon>>
I take it that 'musi sewi' refers to some work of art or some such thing, an object, in any case, created by sitelen, so the 'e' seems right, the 'plin pi lon insa mi' v 'pilin insa mi' is a hard call, but , since PP in NP aren't yet well regulated (maybe even allowed), I have to go with the latter for now, though 'pilin pi insa mi' also works, with unknown difference of meaning.
'pona la' "Happily, fortunately"
I think 'tan seme' is a legitimate fragment; the PP in NP is always a problem, though I am getting used to it (and still want 'pi's) My question is , why 'ken sona'? It seems he does know.

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Re: toki pi kalama pona suli

Postby jan-ante » Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:22 am


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Re: toki pi kalama pona suli

Postby jan-ante » Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:16 am


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Re: toki pi kalama pona suli

Postby jan-ante » Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:21 am


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Re: toki pi kalama pona suli

Postby janKipo » Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:55 pm

<<tenpo nanpa tu la is not looking good here>> "On/for the second time" standard.

<<tenpo mun pini la mi wile lukin e pali pi mama suli pi toki Pasi.

jan pitoki musi Pasi - persian poet>>
I suppose 'mama' is used here in the sense of "creative person." a possible but stretchy reading.

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Re: toki pi kalama pona suli

Postby jan-ante » Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:58 pm


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Re: toki pi kalama pona suli

Postby janKipo » Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:25 pm

Sorry, I don't have the original, so I have to follow as best I can. "again" is 'sin la' I suppose.


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