Well, I said that I had lost the thread of the story at some point, so this shows I really had,
The point about 'a' is just to reinforce that tp words -- with a few exceptions -- move around to play different roles. This case of 'a' (and of 'mu' as well) seem particularly natural moves: from the interjection to the name of the interjection, to making the interjection, to saying something in an interjectional way: ona li a e ni "mi pilin ike" soweli tomo li mu e ni: jan ike li kama. Since we can't rely on metaphors for the moment, we have to go with what we have. (Of course, I do want to use metaphors: jan li mu e toki la toki ni li sona e ala, using 'mu' for "talks nonsense" -- and 'mu' for "spam" rather than some weird version of a calque.
toki pi kalama pona suli
Re: toki pi kalama pona suli
tan tenpo ni la jan Inli li pana e sona pi toki Pasi tawa mi. ona li pilin e ni: jan li wile kama sona e toki sin la, nasin pona nanpa wan li ni: janli toki mute taso. tan ni la mi jo ala e toki awen pi toki Pasi.jan Josan wrote: mi kama sona pona e toki Pasi. mi jo ala e toki awen pi toki Pasi. taso jan lawa Inli li toki e ni: jan li wile kama sona e toki sin la, ona li toki mute kepeken toki ni.
mi tu...mi mute li tawa lon nasin li toki kepeken e toki Pasi taso.
mi anu ona li pilin wawa ala la mi tu li tawa tomo mokumi mute li pilin lape la, mi awen poka ona lon tomo moku.
mi pali lon nasin nitenpo sike suno wan la, mi lon, kepeken nasin ni.
jan lawa li toki e ni: ona li pana e sona mute tawa mi.
tenpo mute la jan Inli ni li toki e ni:..
ona li lon ma seme? mi sona ala. taso..mi sona ala e ni: ona li lon ma seme? taso mi wile e ni: ona li kama lon ike.
why sina ?jan pona mi li pini. ona li wile lawa e pilin sina.
ona li kama pona li toki kepeken pali mutekepeken pali mute la, ona li kama pona li toki:
remove e and pi lono sitelen taso e musi sewi, tan pilin pi lon insa mi.
ni taso li pona: mi sitelen...pona la, mi sitelen lili, kepeken tenpo suli.
sina ken lukin e ni.
tenpo kama lili la sina...
ona li pali kk toki Pasi. sona pi pali ni li ike tawa ona. taso mi ken ala sona e ni: tan li seme?mi ken sona e ni: ona li jo e pilin moli tan pali sina kepeken toki Pasi. taso mi sona ala e ni: tan seme?
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to be continued
Re: toki pi kalama pona suli
<<o sitelen taso e musi sewi, tan pilin pi lon insa mi.
remove e and pi lon>>
I take it that 'musi sewi' refers to some work of art or some such thing, an object, in any case, created by sitelen, so the 'e' seems right, the 'plin pi lon insa mi' v 'pilin insa mi' is a hard call, but , since PP in NP aren't yet well regulated (maybe even allowed), I have to go with the latter for now, though 'pilin pi insa mi' also works, with unknown difference of meaning.
'pona la' "Happily, fortunately"
I think 'tan seme' is a legitimate fragment; the PP in NP is always a problem, though I am getting used to it (and still want 'pi's) My question is , why 'ken sona'? It seems he does know.
remove e and pi lon>>
I take it that 'musi sewi' refers to some work of art or some such thing, an object, in any case, created by sitelen, so the 'e' seems right, the 'plin pi lon insa mi' v 'pilin insa mi' is a hard call, but , since PP in NP aren't yet well regulated (maybe even allowed), I have to go with the latter for now, though 'pilin pi insa mi' also works, with unknown difference of meaning.
'pona la' "Happily, fortunately"
I think 'tan seme' is a legitimate fragment; the PP in NP is always a problem, though I am getting used to it (and still want 'pi's) My question is , why 'ken sona'? It seems he does know.
Re: toki pi kalama pona suli
you are right, i copy-pasted the neighbour.janKipo wrote:<<o sitelen taso e musi sewi, tan pilin pi lon insa mi.
remove e and pi lon>>
!!! ERRATUM !!!
should be:
remove eo sitelen kepeken e toki Pasi taso.
i wrote taso mi ken ala sonae ni: tan li seme - but i can not understand what is the reason. like in the textMy question is , why 'ken sona'? It seems he does know.
Re: toki pi kalama pona suli
tenpo nanpa tu la is not looking good herejan Josan wrote: “kepeken toki Pasi.” tenpo nanpa tu la, ona li toki e toki ni.
jan pitoki musi Pasi - persian poettenpo mun pini la mi wile lukin e pali pi mama suli pi toki Pasi.
toki tan li toki Pasi.tenpo pini la, mi lukin e sitelen ona, kepeken toki ante. taso, tan pi toki ona li toki Pasi. mi pilin e ni: ona li sitelen kepeken toki Pasi.
however the passage above is not from the text. in the text:
mi lukin e sitelen ale mi pi tenpo pini li kama sona e ni: me ken kin kama sona e toki musi Pasi
mi kama jo e toki awen pi jan Pasi ni kepeken pali mutekepeken pali mute la, mi kama jo e toki awen pi mama ni.
remove emi tawa wawa e tomo mi.
also could be understood as i finished my spirit may be just omitt thismi pini e kon mi,
sitelen ni li lukin sama ala e sitelen pi jan Inli.
remove e
toki awen ni li toki awen Pasi kintaso tenpo ni la mi sona e ni: toki awen li pona.
mi kepeken e ijo ante mute: mi lukin tawa lipu Pasi mute, tawa toki awen mute pi jan pi sona toki Pasimi lukin lon ma ale. mi lukin lon lipu mute kepeken toki Pasi. mi lukin lon toki awen mute pi lawa toki kepeken toki Pasi.
pakala“mi kama sona e monsuta ni:
Awinu (ainu)Hajinanese
toki ni li tan sona wawa pi lawa sina.
nasa wawa
removesitelen nasa ni li lukin sama lili e toki Alapi anu toki Po.
mi pana sona e toki kepeken toki Pasi, tawa sina.
mi pana e sona pi toki Pasi tawa sina
mi wile lukin e stsa sintenpo kama la mi lukin jo e sitelen sina sin.
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to be continued
Re: toki pi kalama pona suli
why sina?jan Josan wrote:
“tenpo ni la mi ken sona e ale,” jan J li lawa e pilin sina.
taso toki ni li toki Pasi ona, li toki Pasi pakala.
may be li toki Pasi pi ona kin
ona li lukin e stmi la ona li lukin e toki ona pi tenpo pini li ken sona ala e toki ni.ona li lukin e toki ona pi tenpo pini li ken sona ala e toki ni.
toki ni li toki sin tawa onatawa ona la, toki ni li toki sin.”
kalama toki pi jan J li kama anpajan J li toki kepeken kalama anpa.
why sina???jan J li pini, li lawa e kon sina.
“taso ike suli li ni: toki ni, toki pi nimi ala, li pona kin. mi olin suli e toki ni.”
?????ona li lawa e pilin sina la, mi open e toki mi.
musi suli ni li jo e pona ale pi kon mi.
mi pana e pilin pona ale mi tawa toki musi ni
remove insertni li sama e ni: musi suli li kepeken e toki ala.
“sina toki ala noki e ni: ijo pi lukin ike?...taso…”
tenpo pini ni li pona mutetenpo suno ni li lon tenpo pini pona.
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how long further are you going to go?
Re: toki pi kalama pona suli
i have changed my mind "e lili":jan-ante wrote:tan seme la, jan sewi o, sina li weka ala e ike ni lon mi?
jan sewi o, sina li weka ala e ike ni lon mi tan seme?
...sina li awen ala e ike ni tawa mi tan seme?
Re: toki pi kalama pona suli
<<tenpo nanpa tu la is not looking good here>> "On/for the second time" standard.
<<tenpo mun pini la mi wile lukin e pali pi mama suli pi toki Pasi.
jan pitoki musi Pasi - persian poet>>
I suppose 'mama' is used here in the sense of "creative person." a possible but stretchy reading.
<<tenpo mun pini la mi wile lukin e pali pi mama suli pi toki Pasi.
jan pitoki musi Pasi - persian poet>>
I suppose 'mama' is used here in the sense of "creative person." a possible but stretchy reading.
Re: toki pi kalama pona suli
the original says "again". so i think it is better to say nothingjanKipo wrote:<<tenpo nanpa tu la is not looking good here>> "On/for the second time" standard.
in original "farsi poet"<<tenpo mun pini la mi wile lukin e pali pi mama suli pi toki Pasi.
jan pitoki musi Pasi - persian poet>>
I suppose 'mama' is used here in the sense of "creative person." a possible but stretchy reading.
Re: toki pi kalama pona suli
Sorry, I don't have the original, so I have to follow as best I can. "again" is 'sin la' I suppose.