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Looking for Swadesh list for toki pona

Postby janMato » Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:39 pm

Before I re-invent the wheel, and poorly, has anyone already translated the Swadesh list into toki pona? My first look makes me think each word on the Swadesh list could be translated many ways into tp.

I'm trying to reconstruct proto-toki-pona. It looks like the toki ponans were neighbors of the proto-indo-europeans and the proto-uralic tribes and have somehow migrated to Canada.

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Re: Looking for Swadesh list for toki pona

Postby janKipo » Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:28 pm

There is a start on tp for the Swadesh list in the notes to my LCC paper on Semantic Primes (somewhere on conlangs.org, I think).
The most plausible story about tp, in line with its foundation in pidgins, is that it is what arose when people from diverse rather remote areas came together in the wake of a global catastrophe.

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Re: Looking for Swadesh list for toki pona

Postby janMato » Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:42 pm

Here is a draft Swadesh list. I was surprised how much gutter talk there was on the Swadesh list. Some words are rated R. Many words take a phrase or entire sentence to build up and after you built it, you won't find a place to plug it on account of not having subordinate clauses. Generating multi-word verbs is still a black art. I don't trust my multi word verb phrases.

I - mi

you (singular) - sina

he - ona

we - mi, mi mute, mi ale

you (plural)- sina, sina mute, sina ale, sina suli (in the indo-european sense of honorific-you)

they- ona mute

this- ni

that - ni ante

here - ma ni, ni

there - ni ante (?)

who - seme, jan seme

what - seme, ijo seme

where -seme, ma seme

when- seme, tenpo seme

how- seme, kepeken seme

not - ale, ali

all - ala

many- mute

some - ale mute

few- lili, nanpa lili

other- ante

one - wan

two - tu

three - tu wan

four - tu tu

five - luka, tu tu wan

big - suli, mute

long - linja mute (?)

wide - mute, lipu mute

thick - mute

heavy - mute

small - lili

short - lili

narrow - lili

thin - linja lili

woman - meli

man (adult male) - meji

Man (human being) - jan

child - jan lili

wife - meli

husband - meji

mother - jan mam meli

father - jan mama meji

animal- soweli, akesi

fish - kala, li kala, li pali kala, li pali e kali

bird - waso

dog - soweli

louse - pipi, pipi lili, pipi lili pi linja lawa

snake - akesi linja

worm - akesi linja pi ko ma

tree - kasi suli

forest - kasi suli pi nanpa mute

stick - palisa, li wan lon lipu (like glue)

fruit - kili, li pana e kili

seed - unpa pi pan kasi, li pana e kasi sin

leaf - lipu kasi, li pana e lipu kasi

root - noka kasi, li alisa anpa kasi suli

bark - selo pi kasi suli, li toki sama soweli pi tomo jan

flower- ilo unpa pi kasi kule, li pana e ilo unpa pi kasi kuli

grass - kasi linja laso jelo, ijo nasa pi kasi lipu nasa

rope- linja, li kama jo kepeken linja

skin- selo, selo jan, li weka e selo soweli

meat - moku pi soweli moli

blood - telo loje, telo loje pi sijelo insa

bone - kiwen pi sitelen insa, li unpa

fat (n.) - moku pi wawa mute, ilo poka pi sijelo insa

egg - poki walo

horn- ilo utala pi lawa akesi

tail - linja monsi

feather- ilo tawa pi sijelo walo

hair - linja, linja lawa

head- lawa

ear- kute

eye- oko, li lukin

nose- nena sinpin, li pilin kepeken nena sinpin (to touch/feel with the nose)

mouth- uta, uta lawa, uta sinpin, li pilin kepeken uta sinpin

tooth- kiwen pi uta lawa, kiwen walo pi uta lawa

tongue- ilo toki pi uta lawa

fingernail- ilo kepeken ala pi luka jan

foot - noka, pini noka

leg - noka

knee- noka insa, li utala kepeken noka insa

hand- pini luka, li pana

wing - luka walo, li pali kepeken sona ala (to wing it)

belly- sijelo insa

guts- ilo jaki pi sijelo insa

neck- anpa lawa, li unpa kepeken uta lon anpa lawa (to neck)

back- monsi, monsi sewi, li pana e mani tawa esun (to back an enterprise)

breast- neni, neni meli, sinpin pi sijelo meji

heart- insa, ilo tawa pi telo loje pi sijelo insa

liver- ilo pi kepeken sona ala pi sijelo insa

drink- li moku (verb), telo (noun)

eat- li moku

bite- li moku

suck- moku kin e kon, moku kin e telo

spit- li pana e telo tan uta (?)

vomit- li pana e moku tan uta (?)

blow- li pana e kon tan uta (?), li unpa e palisa meji kepeken uta sinpin

breathe- li moku e kon

laugh- li a a a, li toki e a a a,

see- li lukin

hear- li kute

know- li sona

think- li sona

smell- li sona e kon

fear- li pilin wili ala ???

sleep- li lape

live- li lon, li ali (but even though "li ali" is/was in the cannon, if find in hard to read)

die- li moli, intransitive

kill- li moli e (somthing), transitive

fight- utala

hunt- alasa

hit- ??

cut- li weka

split- li tu

stab- li pakala kepeken palisa

scratch- li pana e linja kepeken ilo

dig- li uta, li pali e uta, li pana e uta

swim- li tawa lon telo

fly (v.)- li tawa kepeken ilo waso

walk- li tawa

come- li kama

lie- li kama e sijelo lon ma

sit- li kama e monsi lon ma

stand- li kama ala (not go anwhere), ??? (stand on two feet)

turn- ??

fall- ??

give- li pana

hold- li jo

squeeze- li jo kin kepeken luka

rub- ??

wash- li telo

wipe- li telo kepeken len

pull- ??

push- ??

throw- li weka

tie - li kama awen kepeken linja

sew- li pali kepeken linja len, li kama awen kepeken linja len,

count- li toki e nanpa

say- li toki

sing- li toki musi

play- li musi

float- li tawa sewi telo

flow- li tawa, li tawa sama telo

freeze- li lete, li lete pini

swell- li pona e sijelo

sun- suno

moon- mun

star- suno pi ma ante

water- telo

rain- telo pi sewi laso, telo lili pi suli laso, telo oko pi jan sewi, telo jaki pi jan sewi

river- telo linja

lake- telo pi ma uta, telo tawa ala pi ma uta

sea- telo mute, telo suli

salt- ijo walo pi telo suli

stone- kiwen, li kiwen

sand- kiwen lili lili

dust- kiwen jaki lili lili

earth- ma, ma suli

cloud- kon, kon telo, kon telo walo

fog- kon telo pi kule mun

sky- suli laso

wind- kon, kon tawa

snow- kiwen telo pi suli laso, kiwen pi telo jelo pi jan suli

ice- kiwen telo

smoke- kon pimeja, li moku e palisi moli

fire - seli, li seli

ashes- ilo pi kule mun pi seli moli

burn- li pakala kepeken seli

road- nasin, linja tawa

mountain- ma neni

red- loje

green- laso jelo / jelo laso

yellow- jelo

white- walo

black- pimeja

night- tenpo pimeja, tenpo pi suno ala, tenpo mun

day- tenpo suno

year- tenpo pi suno sike

warm- li seli

cold- lape

full- ???

new- sin

old- sin ala

good- pona

bad- ike

rotten- moku kepeken akesi mute lili lili

dirty- jaki

straight- ???, unpa ante

round- sike

sharp- sama ilo sin pi kama tu

dull- sama ilo pakala pi kama tu

smooth- sama lipu

wet- kepeken telo lon selo

dry- li jo ala e telo

correct- pona, li pona

near- lon ni

far- lon ni ala

right- luka ante (if you can't tell anyhow), poka mi/poka sina (e.g. if in a car), nasin pi jan mani

left- luka ante (if you can't tell anyhow), poka mi/poka sina (e.g. if in a car), nasin pi jan pali

at- lon (but varies depending on grammatical construction)

in- lon (but varies depending on grammatical construction)

with- kepeken (but varies depending on grammatical construction)

and- en (but varies depending on grammatical construction)

if- la (but varies depending on grammatical construction)

because- tan (but varies depending on grammatical construction)

name- nimi, nimi ilo, nimi jan, nimi toki, etc.

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Re: Looking for Swadesh list for toki pona

Postby janTe » Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:14 am

By the way, the more I think about it, the more I think that "heavy" is best represented by wawa, rather than "suli" or "mute".

kiwen wawa -- heavy rock. (kiwen suli would be big rock. kiwen mute would be many rocks.)
telo wawa -- thick liquid. (telo suli doesn't seem right. telo mute would be much water.)

I think "heaviness" and "strength/force/power" are related. (A heavy rock has a strong gravitational force. A thick liquid is hard to stir, which is... frictional force or something. A powerful person "throws their weight around".) Since "wawa" means "strength", it would be nice if it also meant "heavy".

Unfortunately, jan wawa would be ambiguous, because it could mean strong person or heavy person. But I suspect that's not a big problem.

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