janKipo wrote:'ona li toki tawa jan mama Alulu e ni' the grammar puts prepositional phrases modifying the whole after the object 'e ni tawa mama Alulu' but I am not sure how firm that is (few counterexamples, all called into question, and some defended by trying to find a way to introduce prep phrases that modify just noun phrases -- not applicable here)
On 'tawa musi pi toki sitelen kepeken toki pona' blog I found the following comment from a reader
toki tawa [sina ken weka e 'jan'] ona e ni:
pona la 'toki e ni tawa ona'
Now all occurences of the phrase are changed to ... li toki e ni tawa ...
But I've visited ru.wikipedia and found this: jan mije li toki tawa jan sewi li toki e ni: "ona li moli tan seme?".
So, maybe it would be good to express it like this: ona li toki tawa mama sewi Alulu li toki e ni: "...". Simple grammar, no problems, some archaism ("Then Telemachus spoke to him and said..."). On the other hand: ona li toki e ni tawa mama sewi... has educational value for a tp reader. Still hesitating.
*The virtue of the double verb, like your original line, is that it keeps everything close to where it fits in: 'tawa' next to 'toki' and 'ni' next to both 'toki' and the following sentence. As I say, I am not sure how strong the prep phrase at end rule is.
janKipo wrote:'o pali E jan wawa sin.'
In think that you wanted to add or comment something here?
*Just reminding you to put the 'e' in before direct object.
jan pi ma tomo Uluku li ken lon pi ike ala
jan sama pi jan Kikamesi
perhaps you dont need pi after (quasi)prepositions, because they do regrou
ping without pi.
I thought it should be here, because of a rule of grouping:
jan sama jan Kikamesi = (jan sama jan) Kikamesi
human-like person [named] Gilgamesh
jan sama pi jan Kikamesi = (jan sama) (jan Kikamesi)
person similar to person [named] Gilgamesh (tp idiomatic: brother of Gilgamesh)
*The crucial issue here is whether you can have a prep phrase modifying a noun phrase, i.e., 'jan (sama(jan Kikamasi))' If yes, then you don't need the 'pi' where it is (but may need it before the prep -- I just can't get a handle on this one). If not, then you need both 'pi's: 'jan pi sama pi jan Kikamasi' I think.