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jan Kikamesi. jan lawa pi ma tomo Uluku

Postby jan Ote » Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:47 am


jan Kikamesi. jan lawa pi ma tomo Uluku

tomo Uluku li lon. sinpin pi ma tomo Uluku li sewi li suli. sinpin ni li kiwen. tomo Enana li tomo pi jan sewi Inana. sinpin pi tomo Enana li kiwen. sinpin ni li walo sama suno. o tawa tomo pi jan sewi Inana! o lukin! jan ante li pali ala e tomo sama. jan lawa ante li pali ala e tomo sama. jan seme li kama pali e ali ni? jan Kikamesili li jan lawa pi ma tomo Uluku. ona li kama pali e tomo sewi ni e sinpin ni. ona li suli. jan Kikamesi li utala sama soweli wawa. ona li pakala e sinpin kiwen. ona li lawa e kulupu pi jan utala ona. ona li jan lawa. jan seme li ken sama e ona? jan seme ken toki e ni: "mi jan lawa"?

jan sewi Alulu li pali e sijelo pi jan Kikamesi. ona li suli li pona lukin. jan Kikamesi li wawa li sama jan sewi. jan ala li wile utala e ona.

jan pi ma tomo Uluku li pilin ike tawa jan Kikamesi. jan mute li tawa tomo pi jan sewi li toki e ni: "jan sewi o! jan Kikamesi li suli li sona. ona li wawa. nimi ona li suli. jan Kikamesi li kama jo mije. ona li lawa jan ni tawa utala. tani ni la mama mute li pilin ike. jan Kikamesi li jan lawa pona ala pona? jan Kikamesi li kama jo meli li unpa e ona. tani ni la mama mute li pana e telo oko". jan Kikamesi li jan lawa pona ala pona?".


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Postby janKipo » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:18 pm

Nice hieroglyphs, though some of the characters seem arbitrary, perhaps because of the limited set available.

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Postby janKipo » Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:59 pm

I'm having trouble figuring out how someone can be 2/3 god and 1/3 human (the Chinese Remainder theorem seems to say it can't be worked out with pairings).Ah, well, myths and legends!

'ona li toki tawa jan mama Alulu e ni' the grammar puts prepositional phrases modifying the whole after the object 'e ni tawa mama Alulu' but I am not sure how firm that is (few counterexamples, all called into question, and some defended by trying to find a way to introduce prep phrases that modify just noun phrases -- not applicable here)

'o pali E jan wawa sin.'

'tan ni la jan pi ma tomo Uluku li ken lon pi ike ala".' Not sure what the end means. 'pi' has usually been restricted to noun phrases, although I think it makes perfect sense in verbal ones too. 'lon' is a preposition functioning as a verb here (if I am reading this right), so what follows it is the object of the preposition, not the direct object of the verb, so automatically grouped as a single item and not needing 'pi': "can be in a not bad place"? Of course, 'lon ike ala' can also mean "not be in a bad place' but the difference hardly seems to matter here (and if we go chasing after that ambiguity, the whole language gets a couple of orders of magnitude more complex). Or maybe you mean. "can exist not badly" which would use 'pi' (if allowed). All these call for a less awkward formulation -- for which I have no suggestions.

The dictionary uses 'kiwen telo' for "mud" but that (now) looks wrong to me and something using 'ko' looks better. Aesthetics!

"trap" 'ilo pi kama jo'? not very good, yet. But getting longer is also bad. Need a clever metaphor.

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