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soweli suli li lape

Postby jan Ote » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:47 am

soweli suli li lape mute.
soweli suli li lape mute.

mi pilin ike tan ni: ona li wawa li ike.
tan ni la mi tawa kalama ala.

ona li pini e lape la ona li moku e mi.
ona li pini e lape la ona li moku e mi!

tenpo mute pini la soweli li lape.
tenpo mute pini la soweli li kalama lape.
tenpo lili pini la… soweli li kama jo!


to sleep deeply = 'li lape mute' or 'li lape wawa'?

Please provide comments, corrections and suggestions. Translations into English are welcome.

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Re: soweli suli li lape

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Re: soweli suli li lape

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Re: soweli suli li lape

Postby jan Ote » Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:44 am

Thank you.

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Re: soweli suli li lape

Postby janKipo » Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:21 pm

Somewhere in either the vocab items on this site or in the notes about what Sonja is thinking, 'lukin' is used for "try" but I don't know what the final status will be.

The stuff before 'la' is in a muddle. I would read 'tenpo mute pini' as "a long time ago" and 'tenpo mute' alone as "for a long time," or as "often," but others seem to do it other ways and there is no clear place that I have found to lay it all out. 'ni li lon la' looks good for "if this is so/occurs."

I *think* that 'pini' is a helping verb like 'wile,' so you can say 'pini lape' for "wake up" but again usage varies.

There is no passive in tp -- folks have got to take responsibility: no "Mistakes were made," only "We made mistakes"

Aesthetics: if 'ni' refers to another sentence, it is nice to put it close to that sentence. So, if the explanation/cause comes first then 'tan ni la' to introduction consequent. But if it follows then 'tan ni:' at the end.

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Re: soweli suli li lape

Postby jan Ote » Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:40 am


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Re: soweli suli li lape

Postby janKipo » Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:27 pm

'mute' seems tto mean both "much" and "many" (apparently"mnogo" does , too), that is, both mass and count. English uses the two words to (often) distinguish the two senses of time, rather than having two words. tp seems to have only one word in each category, which makes for a problem (which I hadn't thought of this way before, thanks). We need some devices to sort this all out. Maybe 'suli' is part of the solution, but then we have only one opposite to both it and 'mute,' 'lili'. So something more is needed. Prepositions seems to come into consideration, though I worry about just relexing English in using 'lon' and 'tawa' (and probably others) for time.


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