"anu" in questions

[galactonerd]

I've noticed that "anu" is used in questions, just like "or" in English:sina wile lukin e sitelen tawa anu tawa tomo moku? Would you like tosee a movie or go to a restaurant?However, without the question mark, this becomes:sina wile lukin e sitelen tawa anu tawa tomo moku. You want to see amovie or go to a restaurant.In other words, it is only the inflection (or the question mark inwritten Toki Pona) that makes it a question instead of a statement.However, this would be difficult for a speaker of a tonal language,which (I'm guessing) is why yes-no questions are used with the "X alaX'" construction:sina sona ala sona e toki pona? Do you speak Toki Pona?This seems inconsistent to me.jan Sosuwa

[Rick Miller]

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 2:43 PM, galactonerd <galactonerd@yahoo.com> wrote:> I've noticed that "anu" is used in questions, just like "or" in English:>> sina wile lukin e sitelen tawa anu tawa tomo moku? Would you like to> see a movie or go to a restaurant?>> However, without the question mark, this becomes:> sina wile lukin e sitelen tawa anu tawa tomo moku. You want to see a> movie or go to a restaurant.As I understand it, "anu" is never used in statements, only in questions.(See http://bknight0.myweb.uga.edu/toki/lesson/lesson12.html)Your example (wanting to see a movie or go to a restaurant) is toocomplex and too vague. Even if you simplify, it won't fit into asingle Toki Pona sentence.Even your initial question had serious problems."sina wile lukin e sitelen tawa anu tawa tomo moku?" means"Do you want to see either a movie or(otherwise) (see) a foodish house-go.The skeleton sentence is "You want"."anu" separates predicate substantives. It does not allow you to havea second verb.

[galactonerd]

Thank you. Maybe I should reread those lessons! [embarrassed smileyneeded]jan Sosuwa--- In tokipona@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Miller" <rdmiller3@...> wrote:> As I understand it, "anu" is never used in statements, only inquestions.> (See http://bknight0.myweb.uga.edu/toki/lesson/lesson12.html)>> Your example (wanting to see a movie or go to a restaurant) is too> complex and too vague. Even if you simplify, it won't fit into a> single Toki Pona sentence.>> Even your initial question had serious problems.> "sina wile lukin e sitelen tawa anu tawa tomo moku?" means> "Do you want to see either a movie or(otherwise) (see) a foodishhouse-go.> The skeleton sentence is "You want".> "anu" separates predicate substantives. It does not allow you to have> a second verb.>

[Helmut Voigt]

Maybe it is best to put the "anu" between two sentences: sina wile lukin e sitelen tawa anu [sina/li] wile tawa tomo moku. Besides, I think that nobody has ever seen a "foodish house-go" ) jan ElumutuRick Miller <rdmiller3@gmail.com> schrieb: On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 2:43 PM, galactonerd <galactonerd@yahoo.com> wrote:> I've noticed that "anu" is used in questions, just like "or" in English:>> sina wile lukin e sitelen tawa anutawa tomo moku? Would you like to> see a movie or go to a restaurant?>> However, without the question mark, this becomes:> sina wile lukin e sitelen tawa anu tawa tomo moku. You want to see a> movie or go to a restaurant.As I understand it, "anu" is never used in statements, only in questions.(See http://bknight0.myweb.uga.edu/toki/lesson/lesson12.html)Your example (wanting to see a movie or go to a restaurant) is toocomplex and too vague. Even if you simplify, it won't fit into asingle Toki Pona sentence.Even your initial question had serious problems."sina wile lukin e sitelen tawa anu tawa tomo moku?" means"Do you want to see either a movie or(otherwise) (see) a foodish house-go.The skeleton sentence is "You want"."anu" separates predicate substantives. It does not allow you to havea secondverb. ooooooooside 2008-04-02 and 2008-04-08 between 2008-04-09 and 2008-04-15 <hr size=1>Gesendet von <a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mailuk/taglines/ ... .yahoo.com" target=_blank>Yahoo! Mail</a>.<br>Der Lieblings-Mailbox der Welt.

[Rick Miller]

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Helmut Voigt <akesi_palisa@yahoo.de> wrote:> Maybe it is best to put the "anu" between two sentences: sina wile lukin e> sitelen tawa anu [sina/li] wile tawa tomo moku.> Besides, I think that nobody has ever seen a "foodish house-go" )Sure! Make Toki Pona more complex. :-PYou're missing the main idea, Helmut.Certe! Tokiponon pli-komplikigu. :-PVi maltrafas la cxefan ideon, Helmut.a! o ike e toki pona. :-PEmuto o. sina weka e pilin pi toki pona.jan Wiko

[Helmut Voigt]

a! pilin mi li ike la, o pana e pilin pona. jan ElumutuRick Miller <rdmiller3@gmail.com> schrieb: On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Helmut Voigt <akesi_palisa@yahoo.de> wrote:> Maybe it is best to put the "anu" between two sentences: sina wile lukin e> sitelen tawa anu [sina/li] wile tawa tomo moku.> Besides, I think that nobody has ever seen a "foodish house-go" )Sure! Make Toki Pona more complex. :-PYou're missing the mainidea, Helmut.Certe! Tokiponon pli-komplikigu. :-PVi maltrafas la cxefan ideon, Helmut.a! o ike e toki pona. :-PEmuto o. sina weka e pilin pi toki pona.jan Wiko Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail.Der Lieblings-Mailbox der Welt.

[Helmut Voigt]

Just another suggestion for expressing "or" questions: Might "anu" used in analogy with "ken" as follows: "ken la ..." is possible in tp. So we might as well say: sina wile ala wile lukin e sitelen tawa. anu la (,) sina wile ala wile tawa tomo moku. Yes, it's somewhat longer but not too complex or vague at all. As for the main idea of tp, we had discussions in the group already about whether it should be extreme simplicity (accepting that even simple things like "crossroads, direction, between, etc." are too complex for tp) or the capability of expressing (nearly) everything in tp. I'm clearly fond of the second option. Besides, I'd like to suggest to classify tp words only as follows: structural particles (e, la, li, pi, taso, kin), pronouns (mi, sina, ona, ni), basic words (which can be used as subject, predicate, object, property, conjunction, modifier, specifier, etc. as necessary), and capitalized unofficial words. In that case, one could say, e.g., "anu tu taso li lon" meaning "there are only two alternatives" (stressing "tu"). pilin ni li seme? jan ElumutuRick Miller <rdmiller3@gmail.com> schrieb: On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Helmut Voigt <akesi_palisa@yahoo.de> wrote:> Maybe it is best to put the "anu" between two sentences: sina wile lukin e> sitelen tawa anu [sina/li] wile tawa tomo moku.> Besides, I think that nobody has ever seen a "foodish house-go"8-))Sure! Make Toki Pona more complex. :-PYou're missing the main idea, Helmut.Certe! Tokiponon pli-komplikigu. :-PVi maltrafas la cxefan ideon, Helmut.a! o ike e toki pona. :-PEmuto o. sina weka e pilin pi toki pona.jan Wiko Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail.Der Mailbox mit unbegrenztem Speicher.

[Rick Miller]

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 3:11 AM, Helmut Voigt <akesi_palisa@yahoo.de> wrote:> Just another suggestion for expressing "or" questions: Might "anu" used in> analogy with "ken" as follows: "ken la ..." is possible in tp. So we might> as well say: sina wile ala wile lukin e sitelen tawa. anu la (,) sina wile> ala wile tawa tomo moku. Yes, it's somewhat longer but not too complex or> vague at all.Helmut, that's elegant. I like it.

[galactonerd]

I like yours.I've got one: "sina wile lukin e sitelen tawa anu ni: sina tawa tomomoku" or something like that involving the "ni:" construction.jan Sosuwa--- In tokipona@yahoogroups.com, Helmut Voigt <akesi_palisa@...> wrote:>> Just another suggestion for expressing "or" questions: Might "anu"used in analogy with "ken" as follows: "ken la ..." is possible in tp.So we might as well say: sina wile ala wile lukin e sitelen tawa. anula (,) sina wile ala wile tawa tomo moku. Yes, it's somewhat longerbut not too complex or vague at all.> As for the main idea of tp, we had discussions in the groupalready about whether it should be extreme simplicity (accepting thateven simple things like "crossroads, direction, between, etc." are toocomplex for tp) or the capability of expressing (nearly) everything intp. I'm clearly fond of the second option. Besides, I'd like tosuggest to classify tp words only as follows: structural particles (e,la, li, pi, taso, kin), pronouns (mi, sina, ona, ni), basic words(which can be used as subject, predicate, object, property,conjunction, modifier, specifier, etc. as necessary), and capitalizedunofficial words. In that case, one could say, e. g., "anu tu taso lilon" meaning "there are only two alternatives" (stressing "tu").> pilin ni li seme?> jan Elumutu>> Rick Miller <rdmiller3@...> schrieb:> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Helmut Voigt<akesi_palisa@...> wrote:> > Maybe it is best to put the "anu" between two sentences: sina wilelukin e> > sitelen tawa anu [sina/li] wile tawa tomo moku.> > Besides, I think that nobody has ever seen a "foodish house-go" )>> Sure! Make Toki Pona more complex. > You're missing the main idea, Helmut.>> Certe! Tokiponon pli-komplikigu. > Vi maltrafas la cxefan ideon, Helmut.>> a! o ike e toki pona. > Emuto o. sina weka e pilin pi toki pona.>> jan Wiko>>>>>> ---------------------------------> Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail.> Der Mailbox mit unbegrenztem Speicher.>