misuse of toki pona

[MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com]

In a message dated 7/18/2007 9:43:03 AM Central Daylight Time, aljager@sympatico.ca writes:I recently found toki pona on the Internet and have become veryinterested. The idea that it might alter our thought process is specially appealing. Imagine my chagrin to discover the followingwebsite. Is there a forum watch to discourage this kind of thing?---------------------------------------------------------------http://bknight0.myweb.uga.edu/toki/text/tokisewi.htmlUh, freedom of speech? What misuse of language?  He's communicating his ideas.  Be glad it's in Toki Pona.  At least that way fewer people will read it.jan Setepo / stevo

[aljanga]

I recently found toki pona on the Internet and have become veryinterested. The idea that it might alter our thought process isspecially appealing. Imagine my chagrin to discover the followingwebsite. Is there a forum watch to discourage this kind of thing?---------------------------------------------------------------http://bknight0.myweb.uga.edu/toki/text ... i.htmltoki sewi pi jan walo - Five Fundamental Beliefs of Creativitymi mute li sona e ni: kulupu jan li nasin sewi.We know that race is religion.mi mute li sona e ni: jan walo li pona mute. jan ante li ike.We know that white people are very good. Other people are evil.mi mute li sona e ni: jan li pona tawa jan walo la jan ni li ponamute. jan li pakala e jan walo la jan ni li ike mute.We know that if a person is good to the white people, that person isgood. If a person harms the white people, that person is very evil.mi mute li sona e ni: nasin li pona tawa jan walo la ona li ponamute. nasin li ike tawa jan walo la ona li ike mute.We know that if a path is good for the white people, it is theultimate good. If a path is bad for the white people, it is theultimate evil.mi mute li sona e ni: nasin pali li nasin sewi taso pi jan walo. onataso li ken sewi e jan walo.We know that Creativity is the only religion for the white people.Only it can raise the white people.mi mute li wile sewi. mi mute li pali tan ni.utala sewi pi kulupu jan a!We must be victorious. We work because of this.O holy war of the races!------------------------------------------------------------------mi olin soweliToronto

[John E Clifford]

lon la toki ni li jaki mute. toki ni li toki e ijo ni: jan ala li wile toki eijo ni. mi wile epona ni: jan suli pi toki pona li sitelen ala e toki ni. taso jan wan taso lisitelen e toki ni.kulupu pi toki pona li sitelen ala e ona, mi wile e pona ni: kulupu pi tokipona li toki e nimini: mi mute li pilin ala sama toki ni.--- aljanga <aljager@sympatico.ca> wrote:> I recently found toki pona on the Internet and have become very> interested. The idea that it might alter our thought process is> specially appealing. Imagine my chagrin to discover the following> website. Is there a forum watch to discourage this kind of thing?> --------------------------------------------------------------->> http://bknight0.myweb.uga.edu/toki/text/tokisewi.html>> toki sewi pi jan walo - Five Fundamental Beliefs of Creativity> mi mute li sona e ni: kulupu jan li nasin sewi.> We know that race is religion.>> mi mute li sona e ni: jan walo li pona mute. jan ante li ike.> We know that white people are very good. Other people are evil.>> mi mute li sona e ni: jan li pona tawa jan walo la jan ni li pona> mute. jan li pakala e jan walo la jan ni li ike mute.> We know that if a person is good to the white people, that person is> good. If a person harms the white people, that person is very evil.>> mi mute li sona e ni: nasin li pona tawa jan walo la ona li pona> mute. nasin li ike tawa jan walo la ona li ike mute.> We know that if a path is good for the white people, it is the> ultimate good. If a path is bad for the white people, it is the> ultimate evil.>> mi mute li sona e ni: nasin pali li nasin sewi taso pi jan walo. ona> taso li ken sewi e jan walo.> We know that Creativity is the only religion for the white people.> Only it can raise the white people.>> mi mute li wile sewi. mi mute li pali tan ni.> utala sewi pi kulupu jan a!> We must be victorious. We work because of this.> O holy war of the races!> ------------------------------------------------------------------>> mi olin soweli> Toronto>>>>

[John E Clifford]

ante la toki ni li wan pi lipu pi toki suli pi nasin sewi mute. jan ala li kenpilin e ali ni,tan ni la jan pi sitelen ni li ken pilin ala e toki ni. kin la ona li sona alatan ni: ona lisitelen e toki ni.--- John E Clifford <clifford-j@sbcglobal.net> wrote:> lon la toki ni li jaki mute. toki ni li toki e ijo ni: jan ala li wile toki eijo ni. mi wile> e> pona ni: jan suli pi toki pona li sitelen ala e toki ni. taso jan wan taso lisitelen e toki> ni.> kulupu pi toki pona li sitelen ala e ona, mi wile e pona ni: kulupu pi tokipona li toki e nimi> ni: mi mute li pilin ala sama toki ni.> --- aljanga <aljager@sympatico.ca> wrote:>> > I recently found toki pona on the Internet and have become very> > interested. The idea that it might alter our thought process is> > specially appealing. Imagine my chagrin to discover the following> > website. Is there a forum watch to discourage this kind of thing?> > ---------------------------------------------------------------> >> > http://bknight0.myweb.uga.edu/toki/text/tokisewi.html> >> > toki sewi pi jan walo - Five Fundamental Beliefs of Creativity> > mi mute li sona e ni: kulupu jan li nasin sewi.> > We know that race is religion.> >> > mi mute li sona e ni: jan walo li pona mute. jan ante li ike.> > We know that white people are very good. Other people are evil.> >> > mi mute li sona e ni: jan li pona tawa jan walo la jan ni li pona> > mute. jan li pakala e jan walo la jan ni li ike mute.> > We know that if a person is good to the white people, that person is> > good. If a person harms the white people, that person is very evil.> >> > mi mute li sona e ni: nasin li pona tawa jan walo la ona li pona> > mute. nasin li ike tawa jan walo la ona li ike mute.> > We know that if a path is good for the white people, it is the> > ultimate good. If a path is bad for the white people, it is the> > ultimate evil.> >> > mi mute li sona e ni: nasin pali li nasin sewi taso pi jan walo. ona> > taso li ken sewi e jan walo.> > We know that Creativity is the only religion for the white people.> > Only it can raise the white people.> >> > mi mute li wile sewi. mi mute li pali tan ni.> > utala sewi pi kulupu jan a!> > We must be victorious. We work because of this.> > O holy war of the races!> > ------------------------------------------------------------------> >> > mi olin soweli> > Toronto> >> >> >> >>>

[Rick Miller]

> http://bknight0.myweb.uga.edu/toki/text ... wi.htmljan Pije o! Bryant,Why have you got white supremacist screed in your web site?I sure hope it was just a really sick joke.jan Wiko. Rick

[John E Clifford]

ken toki li weka ala. jan ala li toki e ni: sina ken ala. jan li toki e nitaso: sinal wile ala.mi pilin e ike kama ni: jan li pilin e ni: toki pona li pilin sama toki ni. janwan taso li willeala teoki tawa jan ali pi toki pona anu lukin sama. ike la ante toki pi tokiInli li poka e tokini.--- MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote:> In a message dated 7/18/2007 9:43:03 AM Central Daylight Time,> aljager@sympatico.ca writes:>>> > I recently found toki pona on the Internet and have become very> > interested. The idea that it might alter our thought process is> > specially appealing. Imagine my chagrin to discover the following> > website. Is there a forum watch to discourage this kind of thing?> > ---------------------------------------------------------------> >> > http://bknight0.myweb.uga.edu/toki/text/tokisewi.html> >>> Uh, freedom of speech?> What misuse of language? He's communicating his ideas. Be glad it's in Toki> Pona. At least that way fewer people will read it.>> jan Setepo / stevo </HTML>>

[Pascal Blondiau]

Chu Jan Pije ne devus respondi pri kio estas liaj veraj ideoj, kaj kio ne ? Jan Pasa2007/7/18, John E Clifford <clifford-j@sbcglobal.net>:ken toki li weka ala. jan ala li toki e ni: sina ken ala. jan li toki e ni taso: sinal wile ala.mi pilin e ike kama ni: jan li pilin e ni: toki pona li pilin sama toki ni. jan wan taso li willeala teoki tawa jan ali pi toki pona anu lukin sama. ike la ante toki pi toki Inli li poka e tokini.--- MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote:> In a message dated 7/18/2007 9:43:03 AM Central Daylight Time, > aljager@sympatico.ca writes:> > > > I recently found toki pona on the Internet and have become very> > interested. The idea that it might alter our thought process is > > specially appealing. Imagine my chagrin to discover the following> > website. Is there a forum watch to discourage this kind of thing?> > ----------------------------------------------------------> > > > http://bknight0.myweb.uga.edu/toki/text/tokisewi.html> > > > Uh, freedom of speech? > What misuse of language? He's communicating his ideas. Be glad it's in Toki > Pona. At least that way fewer people will read it.> > jan Setepo / stevo </HTML>>

[B. J. Knight]

Hey, everyone.Yes, I translated one of the texts that followers of the CreativityMovement believe in.How is this "misuse of Toki Pona"? Toki Pona is a language. Itexpresses ideas. Unlike most languages, however, it is mostly equippedonly to speak of relatively simple concepts. Fortunately, the textthat I translated doesn't have any particularly complex ideas in it,so I wouldn't consider it a "misuse of Toki Pona." A "misuse of TokiPona" would be, for example, trying to translate the US Constitution; it is very complex and would not be appropriate for Toki Pona. At anyrate, if you'd like to question my decision to translate such a text,that's fine, but calling it a "misuse of Toki Pona" is undeserved.I decided to translate the text several years ago about the time thatMatthew Hale went on trial. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_F._HaleAlthough I'm certainly no fan of Hale's "religious" beliefs, I believethat he is a victim of America's justice system. The evidence againstHale was obtained by police entrapment, and even then the evidenceagainst him was very weak, and he was still convicted and sent to avery long prison term in an extremely high-security prison. I believethat he has suffered a miscarriage of justice. To show my solidarityand hope that Hale may someday have justice and be set free, I thoughtit would be interesting to translate one of the texts that Hale holdsdear. Again, I wanted to show solidarity with Hale; I do not believethe tenets of the text itself.This isn't the first time I've been criticized for my decision tooppose the injustice of Hale's trial. For a while, I put a "Free MattHale" banner on the front page of my Toki Pona site. I had some nastycomments directed at me as a result, but I didn't take the banner downuntil I felt that it was time.I feel that opposing injustices in America's court system isimportant. Last year, I opposed what was being done to the Dukelacrosse players.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Duke_ ... ndalPeople who supported the players in the beginning were accused ofbeing wannabe-rapists, racists, and many other things. However, wefinally found justice, and the young men were finally declared"innocent" (not simply "not guilty," but truly "innocent").So now you know why I translated the text: to show solidarity with the victim of what I believe was an injustice by US courts. I have nointentions of removing the text until I feel comfortable doing so.However, if you'd like to know, I'm currently reworking the religioustexts page, and I already had to plans to remove the racist text onceI finish the new version of the page.The new version of the page will have a translation of Jesus' Sermonon the Mount. I think it is quite nice, and I hope everyone will enjoyit. I will make a post when the new version of the page is done,although it may be a while because I haven't been in any particular hurry.Anyone who wishes to criticize and/or insult me for the Creativitytranslation, you may do so here or by emailing me directly. My emailaddress can be found at http://bknight0.myweb.uga.edu/toki/me/contact.htmlmi tawa!Pije- In tokipona@yahoogroups.com, John E Clifford <clifford-j@...> wrote:>> ante la toki ni li wan pi lipu pi toki suli pi nasin sewi mute. janala li ken pilin e ali ni,> tan ni la jan pi sitelen ni li ken pilin ala e toki ni. kin la onali sona ala tan ni: ona li> sitelen e toki ni.> --- John E Clifford <clifford-j@...> wrote:>> > lon la toki ni li jaki mute. toki ni li toki e ijo ni: jan ala liwile toki e ijo ni. mi wile> > e> > pona ni: jan suli pi toki pona li sitelen ala e toki ni. taso janwan taso li sitelen e toki> > ni.> > kulupu pi toki pona li sitelen ala e ona, mi wile e pona ni:kulupu pi toki pona li toki e nimi> > ni: mi mute li pilin ala sama toki ni.> > --- aljanga <aljager@...> wrote:> >> > > I recently found toki pona on the Internet and have become very> > > interested. The idea that it might alter our thought process is> > > specially appealing. Imagine my chagrin to discover the following> > > website. Is there a forum watch to discourage this kind of thing?> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------> > >> > > http://bknight0.myweb.uga.edu/toki/text/tokisewi.html> > >> > > toki sewi pi jan walo - Five Fundamental Beliefs of Creativity> > > mi mute li sona e ni: kulupu jan li nasin sewi.> > > We know that race is religion.> > >> > > mi mute li sona e ni: jan walo li pona mute. jan ante li ike.> > > We know that white people are very good. Other people are evil.> > >> > > mi mute li sona e ni: jan li pona tawa jan walo la jan ni li pona> > > mute. jan li pakala e jan walo la jan ni li ike mute.> > > We know that if a person is good to the white people, thatperson is> > > good. If a person harms the white people, that person is very evil.> > >> > > mi mute li sona e ni: nasin li pona tawa jan walo la ona li pona> > > mute. nasin li ike tawa jan walo la ona li ike mute.> > > We know that if a path is good for the white people, it is the> > > ultimate good. If a path is bad for the white people, it is the> > > ultimate evil.> > >> > > mi mute li sona e ni: nasin pali li nasin sewi taso pi jan walo.ona> > > taso li ken sewi e jan walo.> > > We know that Creativity is the only religion for the white people.> > > Only it can raise the white people.> > >> > > mi mute li wile sewi. mi mute li pali tan ni.> > > utala sewi pi kulupu jan a!> > > We must be victorious. We work because of this.> > > O holy war of the races!> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------> > >> > > mi olin soweli> > > Toronto> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >>

[B. J. Knight]

I should've mentioned this in my last email, but I didn't think of ituntil afterward.I encourage you to learn about the Innocence Project, especially ifyou live in the USA. The Project is dedicated to overturningconvictions that were made years ago before DNA testing was widelyavailable. With the new technology that DNA testing allows, theProject has helped hundreds of innocent prisoners be set free.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_ProjectIf you use Facebook, add the "Causes" application, and you can add theInnocence Project as a cause that you support. Look at my Facebookprofile if you want to see how it looks.mi tawa.Pije

[Rick Miller]

jan Pije o!sina toki pona.