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Lon as adjective (was "TP vs. the Conlang Test Case Challenge")

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Lon as adjective (was "TP vs. the Conlang Test Case Challenge")

Postby frpeterjackson » Mon Jul 26, 2004 7:59 am


> > Set 2, 16. The CEO of IBM is the spouse of someone
> > present.
> > TP: jan suli pi kulupu IBM li jan olin pi jan lon.
> > En: Big person of group called IBM is the SO of
> > somebody present.
> > I've never seen lon used as an adjective.
>
> The sprung from a discussion (on the list or on IRC? I
> forget) about improvising <lon> as a noun meaning "place".
> Given that, plus the verb meaning "to be present" from the
> dictionary, I generalized it to the adjective.
>
> > The TP dictionary doesn't mention that it can be used as such.
>
> Sonja mentioned that the parts of speech in TP are rather fluid
> and driven by context, as in Chinese, and if <tawa> can mean "go",
> "toward", and "movement"...
>
> > Not exactly sure how I might fix the sentence, though.
>
> <...pi jan lon ni> "of someone at this"?
>
I agree that "lon" can function as an adjective (or "modifier", as
mama pi TP calls it). All of the other prepositions (kepeken, sama,
tan, tawa) can function as adjectives, so why not "lon"? The
grammatical categories used in the official word list are more an
orientation for European lang. speakers than an insight into the
actual nature of TP. The word list itself defines "prep." as "quasi-
preposition". A better designation might be interjections (a, mu),
pronouns, (mi, sina, ona, ni), particles, (pi, la, li, e, o),
conjunctions (en, anu) and substantives (or OTHER), that is,
everything else, most of which can function as nouns, verbs,
modifiers and even (in limited cases) prepositions. The only anomaly
left, then, would be "kin", which cannot function as a noun or verb
as far as I know. (Anyone got an ideas on this?)

As a "verb" then, "lon" means "be there, be present, be real/true,
exist, be awake". The only trouble is that as an adjective it can
mean too much, since it can mean not only "present", but "real"
and "true", as well.

Mi akordas ke "lon" povas funkcii kiel adjektivo (aux a-vorto, kiel
mama pi TP gxin nomas). Cxiuj aliaj prepozicioj (kepeken, sama, tan,
tawa) povas funkcii kiel adjektivoj. Cxar ne do "lon"? La gramatikaj
kategorioj uzitaj en la fundamenta vortaro. La vortaro mem
difinas "prep." kiel "kvazauxprepozicio". Eble estus pli bona
kategoriigi la vortojn kiel interjekcioj, pronomoj, eroj (dividiloj),
konjunkcioj kaj substantivoj (aux ALIAJ), nome, cxiu plu, la
plejparto da kiu povos funkcii kiel o-vortoj, verboj, a-vortoj, kaj
ecx (en restriktitaj kazoj) prepozicioj. La sola anomalio restota do
estus "kin", kiu ne pova funkcii kiel o- aux a-vorto. (Kion vi
opinias?)

Kiel verbo do, "lon" signifas "&#265;eesti, esti tie, veri, ekzisti, esti
veka". La sola gxeno estas ke kiel adjektivo gxi povas signifi troe,
cxar gxi povas signifi ne nure "cxeestanta" sed ankaux "reala"
kaj "vera".

jan Pita


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