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re: sigh

Postby Tom » Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:13 am


Maybe like Toki Pona in simplicity is "wanladigala"
http://wanladigala.pbworks.com/ ?
I have no idea what it is exactly, but the simple idea of one word per syllable
is appealing. Maybe a bit like aUI. Every syllable has a meaning and by
combining them you get more complex structures. Could these be called 'semantic
primes'?
You could talk about the theory of 'semantic primitives' actually... finding out
if those 'primitives' really exist, and, if so, whether they are a useful base
for constructing a language. Answering the question: "Is there a set of semantic
primes possible, one that can serve as the base of a conlang (maybe a list that
is not perfect, but for all practical purposes works fine)?
(I know you wrote about Natural Semantic Metalanguage, but looks to me that's
not totally the same, correct me if I'm wrong)
 
I like the idea of reducing language to a form that's as simple as possible,
while it still can handle a broad range of meanings and concepts. Topki Pona is
so very simple that I cannot get my point accross, it seems. Or can anybody help
me say in Toki Pona:
freedom
slave
heavy
And I'm sure there's many more things that are very difficult to say in Toki
Pona...
Maybe if the range in vocab was a bit larger, it would help things?
 
Tom




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Joop Kiefte

Re: re: sigh

Postby Joop Kiefte » Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:54 am


freedom - ken (in the anarchist definition: jan lawa ala)
slave - jan pi ken ala // jan pi lawa ala // jan pali (pi mani ala) (all
depending on your definition)
heavy - suli // ike

2009/8/28 Tom <to_mu1975@yahoo.com>

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>
> Maybe like Toki Pona in simplicity is "wanladigala"
> http://wanladigala.pbworks.com/ ?
> I have no idea what it is exactly, but the simple idea of one word per
> syllable is appealing. Maybe a bit like aUI. Every syllable has a meaning
> and by combining them you get more complex structures. Could these be called
> 'semantic primes'?
> You could talk about the theory of 'semantic primitives' actually...
> finding out if those 'primitives' really exist, and, if so, whether they are
> a useful base for constructing a language. Answering the question: "Is there
> a set of semantic primes possible, one that can serve as the base of a
> conlang (maybe a list that is not perfect, but for all practical purposes
> works fine)?
> (I know you wrote about Natural Semantic Metalanguage, but looks to me
> that's not totally the same, correct me if I'm wrong)
>
> I like the idea of reducing language to a form that's as simple as
> possible, while it still can handle a broad range of meanings and concepts.
> Topki Pona is so very simple that I cannot get my point accross, it seems.
> Or can anybody help me say in Toki Pona:
> freedom
> slave
> heavy
> And I'm sure there's many more things that are very difficult to say in
> Toki Pona...
> Maybe if the range in vocab was a bit larger, it would help things?
>
> Tom
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John E Clifford

Re: re: sigh

Postby John E Clifford » Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:05 am


Thanks! There is a longer paper on semantic primes (aUI, NSM, toki pona, the
Swadesh list, Esperanto, and Lojban) over at the LCC1 site at conlangs.org (I
think). It needs a bit of revising and purifying, but covers the essentials
pretty much.




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From: Tom <to_mu1975@yahoo.com>
To: tokipona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:13:43 AM
Subject: [tokipona] re: sigh




Maybe like Toki Pona in simplicity is "wanladigala" http://wanladigala.
pbworks.com/ ?
I have no idea what it is exactly, but the simple idea of one word per syllable
is appealing. Maybe a bit like aUI. Every syllable has a meaning and by
combining them you get more complex structures. Could these be called 'semantic
primes'?
You could talk about the theory of 'semantic primitives' actually... finding out
if those 'primitives' really exist, and, if so, whether they are a useful base
for constructing a language. Answering the question: "Is there a set of semantic
primes possible, one that can serve as the base of a conlang (maybe a list that
is not perfect, but for all practical purposes works fine)?
(I know you wrote about Natural Semantic Metalanguage, but looks to me that's
not totally the same, correct me if I'm wrong)

I like the idea of reducing language to a form that's as simple as possible,
while it still can handle a broad range of meanings and concepts. Topki Pona is
so very simple that I cannot get my point accross, it seems. Or can anybody help
me say in Toki Pona:
freedom
slave
heavy
And I'm sure there's many more things that are very difficult to say in Toki
Pona...
Maybe if the range in vocab was a bit larger, it would help things?

Tom

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