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Xavier Aubuchon-Mendoza

pi vs jo

Post by Xavier Aubuchon-Mendoza »

Forgive my newb question, but I'm trying to work some stuff out to understandthis better...Reading lesson 11 (http://bknight0.myweb.uga.edu/toki/lesson/lesson11.html) Isee that you can use "pi" to indicate ownership of something. ilo ni li pi sina. -- This tool is yours.But... doesn't jo cover this already?sina jo ilo ni -- You own this tool.Is it a case of having multiple ways of saying the same thing? Will one workbetter in some cases than others? Or am I just not understanding this very well?
Tyler Eldredge

RE: pi vs jo

Post by Tyler Eldredge »

I think "jo" is used more in the sense of "to have" as a verbs, and "pi" worksmore like a possessive. "Ilo ni li pi sina" means more like "this is your tool"and "sina jo ilo ni" is "you own this tool," like you said. I think it's more ofa question of style, they both mean essentially the same thing, it's just aslightly different way to phrase it.I might be wrong though, I don't understand Toki Pona very well yet.-TylerTo: tokipona@yahoogroups.comFrom: xavieram@yahoo.comDate: Fri, 15 May 2009 07:53:55 +0000Subject: [tokipona] pi vs joForgive my newb question, but I'm trying to work some stuff out to understandthis better...Reading lesson 11 (http://bknight0.myweb.uga.edu/toki/lesson/lesson11.html) Isee that you can use "pi" to indicate ownership of something.ilo ni li pi sina. -- This tool is yours.But... doesn't jo cover this already?sina jo ilo ni -- You own this tool.Is it a case of having multiple ways of saying the same thing? Will one workbetter in some cases than others? Or am I just not understanding this very well?_________________________________________________________________Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits.http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail ... ge1_052009[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Jim Henry

Re: pi vs jo

Post by Jim Henry »

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 3:53 AM, Xavier Aubuchon-Mendoza<xavieram@yahoo.com> wrote:> Forgive my newb question, but I'm trying to work some stuff out to understandthis better...>> Reading lesson 11 (http://bknight0.myweb.uga.edu/toki/lesson/lesson11.html) Isee that you can use "pi" to indicate ownership of something.>>  ilo ni li pi sina. -- This tool is yours.>>> But... doesn't jo cover this already?>> sina jo ilo ni  -- You own this tool.Rather "sina jo e ilo ni", as other postershave pointed out.> Is it a case of having multiple ways of saying the same thing? Will one workbetter in some cases than others? Or am I just not understanding this very well?Yes; the latter form, with "jo", is the more common.The "<possession> li pi <person>" form, thoughmentioned in the lessons, is something I don't thinkI've ever seen anyone use. And it seems an exceptionto the way "pi" is normally used, as a general-purposelinking preposition that binds a two+ word phraseas a modifier of the preceding word.--Jim Henryhttp://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/
Joop Kiefte

Re: pi vs jo

Post by Joop Kiefte »

I use it, e.g. in my computer's password ;). But you're right it's not oftenused.2009/5/29 Jim Henry <jimhenry1973@gmail.com>> On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 3:53 AM, Xavier Aubuchon-Mendoza> <xavieram@yahoo.com> wrote:> > Forgive my newb question, but I'm trying to work some stuff out to> understand this better...> >> > Reading lesson 11 (> http://bknight0.myweb.uga.edu/toki/lesson/lesson11.html) I see that you> can use "pi" to indicate ownership of something.> >> > ilo ni li pi sina. -- This tool is yours.> >> >> > But... doesn't jo cover this already?> >> > sina jo ilo ni -- You own this tool.>> Rather "sina jo e ilo ni", as other posters> have pointed out.>> > Is it a case of having multiple ways of saying the same thing? Will one> work better in some cases than others? Or am I just not understanding this> very well?>> Yes; the latter form, with "jo", is the more common.> The "<possession> li pi <person>" form, though> mentioned in the lessons, is something I don't think> I've ever seen anyone use. And it seems an exception> to the way "pi" is normally used, as a general-purpose> linking preposition that binds a two+ word phrase> as a modifier of the preceding word.>> --> Jim Henry> http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/ <http://www.pobox.com/%7Ejimhenry/>>>> ------------------------------------>> Yahoo! Groups Links>>>>--Communication is essential. So we need decent tools when communication islacking, when language capability is hard to acquire...- http://esperanto.net - http://esperanto-jongeren.nlOnly those who attempt the absurd will achieve the impossible. I think it'sin my basement... let me go upstairs and check.- M. C. Escher[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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