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Re: I'm updating my Toki Pona lessons and I'm looking for good text examples

Postby jan_Lope » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:41 am

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Postby janKipo » Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:55 am

Nice to have conservative support. Now, to generalize, ...

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Postby janTepanNetaPelin » Thu Jan 28, 2016 9:37 am

https://github.com/stefichjo/toki-pona (mi sitelen e lipu ni pi toki pona)
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Postby janKipo » Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:37 am

Mato at least uses hyphens for idioms, maybe for all complex NPs. But only in analysis, I think, not in text.
I would use commas more generously: before modifiers added to phrases ending in 'pi' phrases and after 'la' for left grouped conditions, as well as before PPs.

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Re: I'm updating my Toki Pona lessons and I'm looking for good text examples

Postby janTepanNetaPelin » Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:46 pm

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Re: I'm updating my Toki Pona lessons and I'm looking for good text examples

Postby jan_Lope » Sat Jan 30, 2016 6:15 am

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Re: I'm updating my Toki Pona lessons and I'm looking for good text examples

Postby janKipo » Sat Jan 30, 2016 10:48 am

While I generally agree with Lope on commas (and, indeed, would suggest several further uses), the case of 'ona li, lon seme' is just perverse, although a consequence of his narrow rules. What follows 'li' need not be a verb but can be of any class, as many of Lope's own examples show (of course, you can call whatever comes after 'li' a verb, just as he calls whatever comes after 'pi' a noun, but that doesn't help much -- except with the sentence negation rule). His solution of adding a null word for "be" is unnecessary and bad style, against the history of tp and very SAE (all negative evaluations). The comma there is also unnecessary, since this is not a terminal PP, but the predicate head (and there is no preceding NP even).

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Re: I'm updating my Toki Pona lessons and I'm looking for good text examples

Postby jan_Lope » Thu Feb 11, 2016 3:29 pm

I've updated my lesson "Basic Sentence" (the missing "to be"). I hope it is much clearer now for English and German speaker why after "li" can follow not only a verb. It can follow a noun or an adjectiv also.

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Re: I'm updating my Toki Pona lessons and I'm looking for good text examples

Postby janKipo » Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:07 pm

There is no missing verb "to be" in tp, except in comparison to other languages like English and German. In tp, nouns and adjectives and prepositions can all serve as the head of the predicate as well as verbs. Lope seems to feel ther has to be something there to hang something on (I'm not clear just what), but, in fact, tp works just fine -- like countless other 'be'-less languages: Chinese and classical Greek for a major pair. I think talking about "missing 'be'" is more likely to create problems than to solve them. Note btw that his lesson only muddles things more, since, having used the phantom copula to distinguish a verbal from a nominal use, he turns around and use 'be' in the verbal cases as well.


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