nimi sin sin (eĉ plu novaj vortoj, even more new words)
Re: nimi sin sin (eĉ plu novaj vortoj, even more new words)
Oh, I only knew this function. Thank you.
ヤんリヨエヤんセゐラヤんリヰれエアら
Re: nimi sin sin (eĉ plu novaj vortoj, even more new words)
ni li toki (pu/pi) mije Wi this is the talk of/about Wimije Wi wrote:Can you make an example please?
Re: nimi sin sin (eĉ plu novaj vortoj, even more new words)
While still being unsure about the 'pi' version of "about", I am now sure that my second example, 'kama jaki ala' v 'kama pi jaki ala' is wrong. The principle is right, but, in fact, 'kama', as a modal, already sets up a right grouping, so 'pi' is unnecessary for the second reading. The first reading should be 'kama ala jaki'
Re: nimi sin sin (eĉ plu novaj vortoj, even more new words)
So if I understand, about pi and pu, one should be for subjective genitive and the other for objective genitive.
ヤんリヨエヤんセゐラヤんリヰれエアら
Re: nimi sin sin (eĉ plu novaj vortoj, even more new words)
Not object. At most oblique:mije Wi wrote:So if I understand, about pi and pu, one should be for subjective genitive and the other for objective genitive.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grammatical_cases
UPDATE. Okay I'm reading this subject/object gentative... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genitive_caseOblique case all-round case; any situation except nominative concerning the house
Actually I'm not sure.
UPDATE 2. Okay, I got the diagnostic sentences.
meli li kama jo e pona tan olin pi mama mije.as an agent ("She benefited from her father's love") – this is called the subjective genitive (Compare "Her father loved her", where Her father is the subject.)
meli li pali tan olin pi kalama musi.as a patient ("the love of music") – this is called the objective genitive (Compare "She loves music", where music is the object.)
I'm not sure why toki pona would need this particular fine distinction any more than it needs any of the other 50 odd cases seen in natural languages.
Re: nimi sin sin (eĉ plu novaj vortoj, even more new words)
And, of course, 'pi' is not a genitive marker (nor is 'pu', so far as we know); it merely marks a right grouping within a left grouping modifier structure. To be sure, possession is on common meaning of modification and possessors tend to take more than a word to say and so become right=grouped clumps, but any number of other relations do so as well, includng many that are purely adjectival/adverbial and this have no case relations at all.